Grotewold wrote:

dajafi wrote:Murphy, who's insufferable but not stupid, suggests looking to move Pap and Kendrick. Seems like a good place to start, but I'd listen on literally everybody.

I agree with him on the targets. But the thing about potentially eating all of Pap's deal is absurd

Trent Steele wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

dajafi wrote:Murphy, who's insufferable but not stupid, suggests looking to move Pap and Kendrick. Seems like a good place to start, but I'd listen on literally everybody.

I agree with him on the targets. But the thing about potentially eating all of Pap's deal is absurd

It's not absurd if it gets you elite prospects. Their sole asset is money. If the FA market sucks and the cap on international signings starts to kick in, the money advantage becomes much less meaningful. Increasing the value of tradeable assets by making them close-to-free to get elite young talent is exactly what they should be doing.

Grotewold wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

dajafi wrote:Murphy, who's insufferable but not stupid, suggests looking to move Pap and Kendrick. Seems like a good place to start, but I'd listen on literally everybody.

I agree with him on the targets. But the thing about potentially eating all of Pap's deal is absurd

It's not absurd if it gets you elite prospects. Their sole asset is money. If the FA market sucks and the cap on international signings starts to kick in, the money advantage becomes much less meaningful. Increasing the value of tradeable assets by making them close-to-free to get elite young talent is exactly what they should be doing.

I understand that in theory. But does it ever actually happen, in excess of $5-10M?

The Tigers and Sox don't need to go to that extreme to afford him, and the Pirates and Rays can't play fast and loose with blue chips

Although by the bloggers' logic that Papelbon has an awful contract because Charlie is stupid, I guess he'd be worth $20M or so with Maddon...

Trent Steele wrote:It probably doesn't happen, but the Phillies should make it happen if there is a team that was willing to do it. Does it matter how much you have to eat on Papelbon if you can get Castellanos or whoever? Same with Lee if he could get you a Will Myers. I'm not suggesting you can actually do those deals, but theoretically, I agree with the idea.

Grotewold wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:It probably doesn't happen, but the Phillies should make it happen if there is a team that was willing to do it. Does it matter how much you have to eat on Papelbon if you can get Castellanos or whoever? Same with Lee if he could get you a Will Myers. I'm not suggesting you can actually do those deals, but theoretically, I agree with the idea.

I'm as unconcerned about our payroll as anyone here, and of course would be open to eating money for great prospects. Just saying the notion of eating upwards of $40M for Papelbon is absurd. I can't imagine not being able to achieve similar results at much less cost

We have tools that allow us to dissect video-reviewed data of batted-ball locations. They aren't perfect, but they allow us to generate images such as this above, which looks at how Gomez fares against batted balls that stay in the park, have an estimated distance of about 365 feet or longer, and are hit to what we would call "dead center."

Gomez has been on the field for 35 balls that met our criteria. He's caught 34 of them (97 percent)

The average major-league team converts 78 percent of those balls into outs.

The Phillies rated last in 2012 as well and brought in a new center fielder in Ben Revere. But that hasn't worked. The Phillies' version of the spray chart above is dotted with 15 hits. That's a far reach from Gomez's near-perfection through 62 games.

Youseff wrote:me and my friend were brainstorming it but Lenny Dykstra needs to have a movie made about him. There's so much there:

Bill Beane and him bunking in the minors
86 coked up mets & various cast of characters
drunk driving crash
93 roided up Phils & various cast of characters
Mad Money connection
investment #$!&@
theft and prostitutes
jail

Trent Steele wrote:The Phillies rated last in 2012 as well and brought in a new center fielder in Ben Revere. But that hasn't worked. The Phillies' version of the spray chart above is dotted with 15 hits. That's a far reach from Gomez's near-perfection through 62 games.

Nick Leyva wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I took a fair amount of grief for saying they wouldn't be good this year with Amaro's collection of #$!
&@ moves. But the thing is, I underestimated how bad they would be. I underestimated the suck. This is really depressing.

You've been reminding us of your prescience almost daily

The offense, especially, is #$!&@ awful to watch, but they're missing Utley and Ruiz and only three games under. Let's not go full 2010 Fugees

They're also tied for 9th in the league. It's pretty much over.

choco wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:It probably doesn't happen, but the Phillies should make it happen if there is a team that was willing to do it. Does it matter how much you have to eat on Papelbon if you can get Castellanos or whoever? Same with Lee if he could get you a Will Myers. I'm not suggesting you can actually do those deals, but theoretically, I agree with the idea.

I'm as unconcerned about our payroll as anyone here, and of course would be open to eating money for great prospects. Just saying the notion of eating upwards of $40M for Papelbon is absurd. I can't imagine not being able to achieve similar results at much less cost

Is any single prospect even worth $40 million dollars on top of what you pay them in salary?

mozartpc27 wrote:Reading about Charlie Manuel's playing days. Wondering if there is another player who so thoroughly and consistently DOMINATED the AAA/Japanese League level who was so abysmally ineffective at the major league level.

Manuel OPSes at AAA, Japan League stops (age in parentheses):

1970 - 1.047 (26)
1971 - 1.227 (27)
1973 - .839 (29)
1974 - 1.032 (30)
1975 - 1.015 (31)
1976 - .712 (32)
1977 - 1.093 (33)
1978 - .968 (34)
1979 - 1.146 (35)
1980 - 1.073 (36)
1981 - .790 (37)

He hit 276 at AAA/Japan League levels (87 at AAA level, 189 in Japan).

And yet, his ML career stat line: 242 G, .198/.273/.260/.533 with 4 career home runs in parts of 6 major league seasons.

Steve Jeltz has 5 major league home runs.

FTN wrote:

choco wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:It probably doesn't happen, but the Phillies should make it happen if there is a team that was willing to do it. Does it matter how much you have to eat on Papelbon if you can get Castellanos or whoever? Same with Lee if he could get you a Will Myers. I'm not suggesting you can actually do those deals, but theoretically, I agree with the idea.

I'm as unconcerned about our payroll as anyone here, and of course would be open to eating money for great prospects. Just saying the notion of eating upwards of $40M for Papelbon is absurd. I can't imagine not being able to achieve similar results at much less cost

Is any single prospect even worth $40 million dollars on top of what you pay them in salary?

ask dodgers fans how they feel about puig

pacino wrote:Alex Cabrera has 356 homers in Japan, while playing only 31 games in one season in the MLB