Trent Steele wrote:There are 62 hitters in MLB right now than have been worth more than 1.5 WAR. The Phillies have zero.

There are 197 hitters in MLB right now that have been worth .5 WAR or more. The Phillies have 4. Two of whom aren't playing (Utley and Kratz).

NIce work.

Fangraphs has Dom and Chase at 1.5 WAR.

SMUG

ek wrote:our GM isn't even going to know what the hell that even means

I took a fair amount of grief for saying they wouldn't be good this year with Amaro's collection of shitty moves. But the thing is, I underestimated how bad they would be. I underestimated the suck. This is really depressing.

Monkeyboy wrote:I took a fair amount of grief for saying they wouldn't be good this year with Amaro's collection of shitty moves. But the thing is, I underestimated how bad they would be. I underestimated the suck. This is really depressing.

You've been reminding us of your prescience almost daily

The offense, especially, is fucking awful to watch, but they're missing Utley and Ruiz and only three games under. Let's not go full 2010 Fugees

lmao

Grotewold wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I took a fair amount of grief for saying they wouldn't be good this year with Amaro's collection of #$!&@ moves. But the thing is, I underestimated how bad they would be. I underestimated the suck. This is really depressing.

You've been reminding us of your prescience almost daily

The offense, especially, is #$!&@ awful to watch, but they're missing Utley and Ruiz and only three games under. Let's not go full 2010 Fugees

They're also tied for 9th in the league. It's pretty much over.

it's june 12th

td11 wrote:it's june 12th

BARRY BONDS AINT' WALKIN THROUGH THAT DOOR

They were 37-51 last year on July 13th, gave away two of their best three hitters and a starting pitcher, and got to within three games of the wild card in late September

85 wins might get you in the gayoffs

Woody wrote:

td11 wrote:it's june 12th

BARRY BONDS AINT' WALKIN THROUGH THAT DOOR

head wont fit

We're reaching the point where they're pretty clearly what they look like. Above-average starting pitching which may or may not be sustainable. Lousy offense. Lousy defense. Lousy relief. Can't beat bad teams, give away at-bats, not very well managed in a tactical sense.

If Amaro deserves credit for anything, it's avoiding the big mistake of commission: overpaying for Upton or Hamilton or anybody else whom we'd have, and owe tens of millions to, instead of Crawford. Most of the moves were decent gambles. None of them worked. They all helped preserve the team's freedom of action at this point.

Knowing what we know now, they look like sellers. Murphy, who's insufferable but not stupid, suggests looking to move Pap and Kendrick. Seems like a good place to start, but I'd listen on literally everybody.

dajafi wrote:Murphy, who's insufferable but not stupid, suggests looking to move Pap and Kendrick. Seems like a good place to start, but I'd listen on literally everybody.

I agree with him on the targets. But the thing about potentially eating all of Pap's deal is absurd

Just a note............the Howard, Rollins and Hamels deals were just as much if not more Dave Montgomery moves than Amaro moves.

ek wrote:it's definitely over. they are not making the playoffs. now if the goal is .500 or whatever, yea they have a shot at that i guess

Maybe they can have a joint celebration with the buccos

Grotewold wrote:

dajafi wrote:Murphy, who's insufferable but not stupid, suggests looking to move Pap and Kendrick. Seems like a good place to start, but I'd listen on literally everybody.

I agree with him on the targets. But the thing about potentially eating all of Pap's deal is absurd

Yup. He's owed something like $30m through 2015, I think. If they had to cover a chunk of it to get a better return, fine. But you don't start there. I think there will be a pretty good market for him.

In other news, The Dude gets out of jail on Sunday

That's just like, your opinion, man.

WheelsFellOff wrote:That's just like, your opinion, man.

I wonder if he'll abide by the terms of his parole