WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby BigEd76 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:19:34

CSN was showing 1980 WS game 5 last night. They're nowhere near the 84 Padres, but four guys from that 80 Royals team have passed away already (Porter, K.Brett, Splittorff, Quisenberry), Aikens spent 14 years in prison, and Howser took over in 81 and he passed away too. Awesome for us cause we won, but man that KC period from 76-85 would've been Eagle-like if it wasn't for Denkinger blowing that call

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby bleh » Thu Mar 21, 2013 14:16:03

Monkeyboy wrote:
phorever wrote:with more than 200 career regular season abs
with more than 40 abs in a spring
and spring slg more than 200 points above their career slg
have a very strong tendency to follow that spring with a breakout season.
some have objected that slg includes babip luck on singles, so it is safer to apply the rule to iso.
guess what?
dom is at +229 (381 iso this spring versus 152 career) through 63 abs this spring. (+322 slg)
?



Didn't the study show, and I'm going off what I read in another post, I believe, that they have a 60% chance of outperforming their slg career average? Assuming I'm remembering that right, isn't that really weak sauce? He's basically looking at a subset of hitters (200 slg points higher in ST, 200abs, and 40abs) and saying they will probably (60% chance isn't really that high to me) outperform their career average? Wouldn't we expect about 50% of hitters to do that completely by chance (half above and half below)? So the likelihood of outperforming your career average is increased by 10% if you happen to meet his criteria. I believe the stat for the Philllies said 8 of 12 have followed this trend. Color me unimpressed.

Or am I missing something?

That article mentions guys like Juan Uribe, Jose Bautista and Angel Pagan. There's a huge difference between looking for breakout years from utility guys like those and someone who was a top prospect 2 years ago and is 25 years old. The spring training stats alone don't say much on their own, but he's already shown power in the minor leagues and had injury issues that he seems to have recovered from and he's entering his prime and he's made adjustments to his swing.

edit: I guess you are debating the merits of the article and not Domo's chances of having a breakout year.

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 14:29:30

bleh wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
phorever wrote:with more than 200 career regular season abs
with more than 40 abs in a spring
and spring slg more than 200 points above their career slg
have a very strong tendency to follow that spring with a breakout season.
some have objected that slg includes babip luck on singles, so it is safer to apply the rule to iso.
guess what?
dom is at +229 (381 iso this spring versus 152 career) through 63 abs this spring. (+322 slg)
?



Didn't the study show, and I'm going off what I read in another post, I believe, that they have a 60% chance of outperforming their slg career average? Assuming I'm remembering that right, isn't that really weak sauce? He's basically looking at a subset of hitters (200 slg points higher in ST, 200abs, and 40abs) and saying they will probably (60% chance isn't really that high to me) outperform their career average? Wouldn't we expect about 50% of hitters to do that completely by chance (half above and half below)? So the likelihood of outperforming your career average is increased by 10% if you happen to meet his criteria. I believe the stat for the Philllies said 8 of 12 have followed this trend. Color me unimpressed.

Or am I missing something?

That article mentions guys like Juan Uribe, Jose Bautista and Angel Pagan. There's a huge difference between looking for breakout years from utility guys like those and someone who was a top prospect 2 years ago and is 25 years old. The spring training stats alone don't say much on their own, but he's already shown power in the minor leagues and had injury issues that he seems to have recovered from and he's entering his prime and he's made adjustments to his swing.

edit: I guess you are debating the merits of the article and not Domo's chances of having a breakout year.



yes, I was talking about the article. Dom makes perfect sense for a breakout candidate.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby smitty » Thu Mar 21, 2013 15:16:57

I understand many experts are cautiously optimistic regarding Brown.

Personally, I'm wildly optimistic and expect Brown to be great this season. He has a chance to be a Jason Heyward Clone or maybe even Cory Hart.

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Postby JFLNYC » Thu Mar 21, 2013 15:31:42

He's even hitting right-handed now?
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Grotewold » Thu Mar 21, 2013 15:36:25

Cooney picked us to win 79 in USA Today

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 15:42:30

smitty wrote:I understand many experts are cautiously optimistic regarding Brown.

Personally, I'm wildly optimistic and expect Brown to be great this season. He has a chance to be a Jason Heyward Clone or maybe even Cory Hart.



you jest, I think, but Heyward and Dom could be pretty similar players, with Heyward having maybe a bit more upside in terms of HRs and steals. Both lefty RFers with good patience who probably won't hit for high average.

I'm bully on Brown.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 15:45:30

Grotewold wrote:Cooney picked us to win 79 in USA Today



ok, that's just dumb, unless he thinks we're going to have big injury issues again, Brown is a mirage, and a bunch of other stuff will go wrong. The division continues to improve, but we won 81 last year in a disastrous season with a bullpen blowing a ton of games early in the season. I do think some of our late push was luck, but 79 wins doesn't make much sense.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:04:17

Matt Gelb ‏@magelb
#Braves rotation for opening series vs. Phillies: Hudson, Maholm and Medlen.

Bitch please.

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Postby td11 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:04:58

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Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:05:29

I have to watch god medlen in person.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:06:28

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Grotewold » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:10:58

Doll Is Mine wrote:Matt Gelb ‏@magelb
#Braves rotation for opening series vs. Phillies: Hudson, Maholm and Medlen.

Bitch please.


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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby smitty » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:11:30

Monkeyboy wrote:
smitty wrote:I understand many experts are cautiously optimistic regarding Brown.

Personally, I'm wildly optimistic and expect Brown to be great this season. He has a chance to be a Jason Heyward Clone or maybe even Cory Hart.



you jest, I think, but Heyward and Dom could be pretty similar players, with Heyward having maybe a bit more upside in terms of HRs and steals. Both lefty RFers with good patience who probably won't hit for high average.

I'm bully on Brown.


I am joshing but you make a good point. Heyward is way younger and already established so the comp is terrible. But I can see Brown putting up triple slash lines that fit in with Heyward's career.

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Postby The B1G Piece » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:12:25

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Grotewold » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:13:30

The B1G Piece wrote:HUDDY


He should be totally fine forever

Except when facing Maybird and NIX

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:15:24

smitty wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
smitty wrote:I understand many experts are cautiously optimistic regarding Brown.

Personally, I'm wildly optimistic and expect Brown to be great this season. He has a chance to be a Jason Heyward Clone or maybe even Cory Hart.



you jest, I think, but Heyward and Dom could be pretty similar players, with Heyward having maybe a bit more upside in terms of HRs and steals. Both lefty RFers with good patience who probably won't hit for high average.

I'm bully on Brown.


I am joshing but you make a good point. Heyward is way younger and already established so the comp is terrible. But I can see Brown putting up triple slash lines that fit in with Heyward's career.


Yeh, Heyward will have the better career given how young he started, barring something weird like Heyward getting injured or Brown totally taking off. I just think they are similar type players. I'm also bully on Heyward, unfortunately.
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:15:50

Good thing none of these games are on the national FOX broadcast. Otherwise it turns into the Tim HUDDY Show starring HUDDY
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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby The B1G Piece » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:15:50

Man Barves pitching is really meh.

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Re: WE'RE NUMBER 3! WE'RE NUMBER 3! Phillies thoughts etc..

Postby smitty » Thu Mar 21, 2013 16:18:02

Nine mehs deep.

Medlin or Minor is pretty good though right?

Also, when McCann comes back from his labrum surgery he gonna rake.

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