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Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Jan 24, 2013 05:58:51

Grotewold wrote:[
He's no Bochy or LaRussa in terms of strategy, but I don't know that there's a major problem there when you factor in the positive effects of being a players' manager.



Yup, that's what I was getting at when I said that his sticking with them leads to better relationships, which is a good thing. He has shown willingness to work in new guys though, so you're right, I think.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 07:48:33

Monkeyboy wrote:Having a bunch of high OBP guys just wears the other team's pitching down.


I'll ask again which OBP machines they should have brought in instead to fill out the roster. Swisher is the only one that springs to mind, and that would have been a much, much costlier move.

Again, I'm concerned about all the talk of "contact" hitters and the importance of hitting .300. But the market isn't what it used to be, in general and for corner-OF production and OBP specifically. Blows that Dom Brown hasn't developed like we'd hoped to this point but he and Ruf will have the opportunity to give us a big boost

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Woody » Thu Jan 24, 2013 08:43:52

I think there's quite a large spectrum between "on base machine" and "Delmon Young"
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Soren » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:21:08

Woody wrote:I think there's quite a large spectrum between "on base machine" and "Delmon Young"


yea like we can start with "is not an antisemite"
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:31:14

Woody wrote:I think there's quite a large spectrum between "on base machine" and "Delmon Young"


Is there? His career OBP is almost exactly last year's league average (.319). He's fallen short of that the past two years, but that's why we were able to sign him for less than a twelfth of the commitment Jim Bowden predicted

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:37:36

last year's league average applies to last year. not the years preceding them.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:38:00

There are no awards for lowest payroll. And, even if there were, the Phils are never going to win it. If a player's not increasing your chances of winning the World Series, the fact that he's a bargain means little.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:39:43

Barry Jive wrote:last year's league average applies to last year. not the years preceding them.


I realize that man. But clearly the game has a changed a bit with regard to the availability of high-OBP corner-outfield bangers

Hopefully Brown and/or Ruf grow into one

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:40:34

JFLNYC wrote:There are no awards for lowest payroll. And, even if there were, the Phils are never going to win it. If a player's not increasing your chances of winning the World Series, the fact that he's a bargain means little.


He greatly increased the Tigers' chances in October.

Who knows

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:42:17

Grotewold wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:last year's league average applies to last year. not the years preceding them.


I realize that man. But clearly the game has a changed a bit with regard to the availability of high-OBP corner-outfield bangers

Hopefully Brown and/or Ruf grow into one


that last part was the hope regardless of whether we had a shit-shoveling Jew-hater on the team
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:43:13

Barry Jive wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:last year's league average applies to last year. not the years preceding them.


I realize that man. But clearly the game has a changed a bit with regard to the availability of high-OBP corner-outfield bangers

Hopefully Brown and/or Ruf grow into one


that last part was the hope regardless of whether we had a shit-shoveling Jew-hater on the team


Again, I was speaking to OBP trends and availability, which was Monkeyboy's main complaint. Not taking ownership of the Young signing in particular

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:46:32

I understand we're not going to find some .400 OBP corner OF on the market for $750,000. What are we talking about? We're in the Delmon Young thread. He's awful and shouldn't have a guaranteed contract for any team, especially mine.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:47:23

Grotewold wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:There are no awards for lowest payroll. And, even if there were, the Phils are never going to win it. If a player's not increasing your chances of winning the World Series, the fact that he's a bargain means little.


He greatly increased the Tigers' chances in October.

Who knows


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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:47:52

Barry Jive wrote:I understand we're not going to find some .400 OBP corner OF on the market for $750,000. What are we talking about? We're in the Delmon Young thread.


I was responding to Monkeyboy's and then Woody's posts, and then you responded to me?

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:49:12

JFLNYC wrote:And they thought so much of him, they promptly let him walk.


I'll see that and raise you that he had no other offers remotely close to the Phils', since he's clearly a better fit for an A.L. team. But that doesn't mean we're all gonna die

p.s. There are reports the Rays seriously considered him. Somehow I think the blogger/pundit/poster reax to that would have been a little different (even accounting for them having a DH spot)
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:52:26

Yes we are. It's only a question of when.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:53:37

this is what you said:

Grotewold wrote:
Woody wrote:I think there's quite a large spectrum between "on base machine" and "Delmon Young"


Is there? His career OBP is almost exactly last year's league average (.319). He's fallen short of that the past two years, but that's why we were able to sign him for less than a twelfth of the commitment Jim Bowden predicted


then i pointed out that comparing his career OBP to last year's league average was faulty. that's it. it's just not a great way to make this argument. especially because he had his worst year last year
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:55:36

Grotewold wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:And they thought so much of him, they promptly let him walk.


I'll see that and raise you that he had no other offers remotely close to the Phils', since he's clearly a better fit for an A.L. team. But that doesn't mean we're all gonna die

p.s. There are reports the Rays seriously considered him. Somehow I think the blogger/pundit/poster reax to that would have been a little different (even accounting for them having a DH spot)


it would have been right in line with their market-busting acquisitions of rapist Josh Lueke and birther racist Luke Scott
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:56:28

Barry Jive wrote:this is what you said:

Grotewold wrote:
Woody wrote:I think there's quite a large spectrum between "on base machine" and "Delmon Young"


Is there? His career OBP is almost exactly last year's league average (.319). He's fallen short of that the past two years, but that's why we were able to sign him for less than a twelfth of the commitment Jim Bowden predicted


then i pointed out that comparing his career OBP to last year's league average was faulty. that's it. it's just not a great way to make this argument. especially because he had his worst year last year

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Thu Jan 24, 2013 09:58:22

i wasn't even addressing that. the whole premise of that post is misguided. why is it taking me three posts to get this across
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