Phillies sign Delmon Young

Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby FTN » Tue Jan 22, 2013 20:20:57

Delmon Young
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$6M

Analysis: His off-field issues, poor defense and low OBP will hinder his market, but his postseason success will give him a bit of a boost.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Jan 22, 2013 20:43:39

I'm going to go on record as in favor of this deal, if I was the GM I would have done this too.

Please make a note of this phdatabase so I can be proved right or wrong in a couple months.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby z ipper » Tue Jan 22, 2013 20:49:05

we're a ponzi scheme away from being the mets.

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby smitty » Tue Jan 22, 2013 20:53:05

I know they are spending literally thousands and thousands of dollars on these guys. Pretty soon the payroll is going to top a million dollars and then what?

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby dajafi » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:13:26

Trent's .270/meh power/no walks/brutal defense scenario is disturbingly plausible, and I would take the point about opportunity cost--except that I don't see Young as a guaranteed-worse or even likely worse option than the guys who were here 12 hours ago, or those still out there like Hairston.

Ruf and Brown are lousy defenders too, perhaps with more upside there but lacking even Young's modest hitting bona fides. And the other possible moves all had much steeper costs and longer-term obligations. This is a guy who's shown power at the major league level, going into his age 27 year with as much motivation as a guy can have. The odds are that it won't work, but I think it's incorrect to say there's no upside.

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:18:29

Maybe Amaro thinks the object of the game is to collect outs?

I talked myself into believing that Amaro was just obsessed with clubhouse chemistry. And that even though I would have to deal with these infuriating players, at least it would be a group of guys I could root for. But this asshat throws a wrench into that idea.

So at what point does it become obvious that Amaro is deliberately targeting guys who don't get on base? I mean, really, these are some of the game's worst players at getting on base. It can't be a coincidence that we are collecting all of them. He either thinks it doesn't matter or he's deliberately going after guys who put the ball in play.

Anyway, this mostly just depresses me. I really am feeling kinda goth right now. I think I'll dye my hair.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby smitty » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:19:31

He hit good in 2010. He hits lefties pretty good. I don't think he's very good because he doesn't walk at all and he is lousy in the field. But there's a chance he can hit some this season. I'd be much more happy if Brown can come through (I still have hope for him) and solved a corner OF problem. That would leave one more with 4 guys battling for it.

Not the best scenario but it's what we're stuck with. We ain't getting no one very good for 750 large.

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:23:47

If we are okay with dickeads, might as well see if Bonds wants to dust off the ole syringe.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:27:23

smitty wrote:I know they are spending literally thousands and thousands of dollars on these guys. Pretty soon the payroll is going to top a million dollars and then what?


Money has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't care if Young paid the Phillies $3m to play.

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby smitty » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:29:42

Trent Steele wrote:
smitty wrote:I know they are spending literally thousands and thousands of dollars on these guys. Pretty soon the payroll is going to top a million dollars and then what?


Money has nothing to do with it. I wouldn't care if Young paid the Phillies $3m to play.


Yeah, I get that. Just having some fun. I don't really get worked up over these kind of cheap ass deals though. Cripes, he might not even make the team. It's Rod Barajas all over again.

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:29:43

Eh, if Young can refrain from throwing bats at the umps and being mean to the Jews, this will end up being a good deal.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:29:51

I appreciate that some of our posters continue to try to paint a rosy picture of even the most head-scratching moves, but at some point it needs to be recognized that we have gone out a signed a group of guys that have a few things in common and the things they have in common aren't very good. If the signings are indicative of how the ptb see the game, we have the wrong guys in leadership positions. There is a trend here, a pretty obvious one.

My daughter has one of those plastic balls with the different shapes that you have to try to fit through the same-shaped holes in the ball. When she first got it, she couldn't put any of the shapes into the ball. She'd try to push the oval shape through the square hole or the triangular shape through the star-shaped hole, etc. It was sometimes funny to watch and other times frustrating because I wanted her to figure it out. I expect I'll feel something similar this year watching Charlie try to use our collection of corner OFers. The positive sign is that my daughter has figured it out...... I'm wondering if Charlie can learn new tricks.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby The B1G Piece » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:44:08

at least he is good at cleaning up dogshit.

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:45:58

Doll Is Mine wrote:Ryan Lawrence

"I didn't like cleaning dog poop." More Delmon Young on his recent community service in NYC.

"I didn’t like cleaning up dog poop," Young said. "It was a dog park and people don’t clean up after their dogs sometimes and we’re left to. A lot of times I just stared at it because it was too soupy.
"That puts some perspective on things, too. Like unnecessary littering, finding syringes out there, cigarettes everywhere, beer cans and then the daily stuff that goes around. You start seeing the dogs everywhere and it makes you realize if you have a dog, clean up after it.
"If I ever do decide to smoke cigarettes, throw it in the trash can. Don'’t litter. Being out there when it was 30 degrees and the wind was blowing, it makes you realize you need to make some good choices. You’'re not going to be out there doing community service next time." #phillies


is this a real fucking thing a 27-year-old man fucking said
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Barry Jive » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:48:22

The Nightman Cometh wrote:If we are okay with dickeads, might as well see if Bonds wants to dust off the ole syringe.


i was thinking about that earlier. how the fuck does Barry Bonds get blacklisted from the league bordering on collusion and this dickheaded piece of garbage gets a guaranteed contract
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jan 22, 2013 21:50:15

I hope he knows that most people see him as not unlike the excrement he had to clean up.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jan 22, 2013 22:00:41

Monkeyboy wrote: My daughter has one of those plastic balls with the different shapes that you have to try to fit through the same-shaped holes in the ball. When she first got it, she couldn't put any of the shapes into the ball. She'd try to push the oval shape through the square hole or the triangular shape through the star-shaped hole, etc. It was sometimes funny to watch and other times frustrating because I wanted her to figure it out. I expect I'll feel something similar this year watching Charlie try to use our collection of corner OFers. The positive sign is that my daughter has figured it out...... I'm wondering if Charlie can learn new tricks.


Well that's completely obnoxious

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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Titlehungry » Tue Jan 22, 2013 22:02:11

Can't wait until he beats an old lady to death at the Phillies Phestival
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Tue Jan 22, 2013 22:15:41

dajafi wrote:Trent's .270/meh power/no walks/brutal defense scenario is disturbingly plausible, and I would take the point about opportunity cost--except that I don't see Young as a guaranteed-worse or even likely worse option than the guys who were here 12 hours ago, or those still out there like Hairston.

Ruf and Brown are lousy defenders too, perhaps with more upside there but lacking even Young's modest hitting bona fides. And the other possible moves all had much steeper costs and longer-term obligations. This is a guy who's shown power at the major league level, going into his age 27 year with as much motivation as a guy can have. The odds are that it won't work, but I think it's incorrect to say there's no upside.


Yeah really. Who exactly is available to play the OF who is racking up a .400 OBP anyway? How many are there period? The one guy I would have liked them to sign was Swisher but his price was too high and I sure as hell would rather have Young for 750k then Elftard for millions. Also...I think Young can hit based on his 2010 season. Take away his defensive numbers in 2010 and he's close to a 4 WAR player. If the Phillies can plug that Delmon Young into this lineup thats a big positive considering what we have there currently. He'll also probably love playing in a park thats not so pitcher friendly as the ones in Detroit and Minnesota.

Darin Ruf is a nice story but really can you count on him with this team, which is built to win now. If this fails then go ahead and play Ruf everyday in 2014 when we are in full rebuild mode. I hope he succeeds at some point but I can't get Jeff Stone out of my head. Brown is also too much of a question mark also for a team that at least needs average-solid production that can be counted on this season.
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Re: Phillies sign Delmon Young

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Jan 22, 2013 22:18:23

Monkeyboy wrote:There is a trend here, a pretty obvious one.



Ben Revere: Can't hit the ball over the fence
Mike Adams: Can't feel his fingers
Delmon Young: Can't be trusted around pieces of lumber, or Jews
Aaron Cook: Can't break a pane of glass with his fastball
Rodrigo Lopez: Can't throw the ball over the plate
Michael Young: Can't help being mistaken for a black guy

It actually sounds like a pretty diverse group.
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