Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby smitty » Mon Aug 20, 2012 19:02:55

Batter should have let it hit him.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby Slowhand » Mon Aug 20, 2012 20:06:04



Fastball was clocked at 87 mph and four pitches were working, so everyone believes he can do it.


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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby FTN » Tue Aug 21, 2012 16:07:33

UPDATE: Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com hears Swisher may seek a "Jayson Werth contract" when he hits free agency at the end of the year.

That translates to Werth's seven-year, $126 million deal with the Nationals. Can't blame Swisher for thinking big, even if it is wishful thinking.


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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby smitty » Tue Aug 21, 2012 18:07:28

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/ ... sers.shtml

The above link is a list of 20 game loser seasons in MLB history from baseball-reference.com. Mike Maroth was the last guy to do so back in '03. Famously, Brian Kingman was the last guy before him way back in 1980.

We may not ever have another 20 game loser but if we do it will be the 500th time exactly. Kinda cool.

I always heard/read that it takes a pretty good pitcher to lose 20 games in a season and looking at the list that claim is pretty true.

One interesting guy on the list is Bobo Newsome who accomplished the feat 3 different times for three different teams. He is also interesting because he was called Bobo; he won 20 games several times; he had a fabulous season in 1940; and he followed his fabulous 1940 season with a clunker in '41, which was one of the seasons in which he lost 20. He pitched for 20 years.

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Here's a really long article on Bobo. Interesting cat who had an interesting career.

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/b3eeb6d1
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby z ipper » Tue Aug 21, 2012 18:30:35

kerry wood is like 140lbs in that statefarm commercial. he roided even harder than i had imagined.

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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Tue Aug 21, 2012 18:49:11

smitty wrote:http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/20gameLosers.shtml

The above link is a list of 20 game loser seasons in MLB history from baseball-reference.com.



Lot of familiar names there. In fact of the 25 pitchers who account for the last 30 such seasons, 7 of them pitched at one time for the Phillies.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby smitty » Tue Aug 21, 2012 19:33:28

Bill James with an interesting response to the Strasburg inning thing:

Well. . .I think it is reasonable, yes. There are three issues. There is a belief--which I gather is founded on bad sabermetrics, I don't know--that a pitcher's injury risk explodes if he increases his innings pitched in a season by more than 30 a year.

We can get by that, based on the belief that the original research doesn't stand up to scrutiny--but then there are two more issues. Strasburg is coming back from Tommie John, and he is still very young. You're asking him to do A LOT for a pitcher one year away from Tommie John, and you're exposing a 23, 24-year-old pitcher to a full workload.

If it was me, I'd err on the side of caution. I don't know that I would have done it exactly the way the Nationals did. Maybe I would have limited him to 80 pitches a start for the first half of the year, and then cut him loose late in the year, rather than the other way. But I think I would have erred on the side of caution, rather than risking another injury.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby philliesphhan » Tue Aug 21, 2012 20:28:39

Always thought it was interesting that Carlton lost 20 the year after he won 27.

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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Aug 21, 2012 20:43:54

Wilbur Wood did both in the same year.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby smitty » Tue Aug 21, 2012 21:01:37

philliesphhan wrote:Always thought it was interesting that Carlton lost 20 the year after he won 27.


Also lost 19 the year before he won 20 for the Cards.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby smitty » Tue Aug 21, 2012 21:02:04

JFLNYC wrote:Wilbur Wood did both in the same year.


Phil Niekro too.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby Barry Jive » Tue Aug 21, 2012 22:34:21

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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby karn » Wed Aug 22, 2012 00:36:32

is it safe to say that cap anson would have been far and away the all time leader in hits if he'd played in an era with more games? he played essentially 27 full seasons from the time he was 19 until age 45

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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby Woody » Wed Aug 22, 2012 08:54:00

Today I learned Cap Anson looked like this

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And that he was 12 when slavery was abolished.

Apparently it didn't take:

The following year, on July 20, 1884 Anson again refused to take the field against Toledo, calling their two black players – Moses Fleetwood Walker and his brother Welday – "chocolate-covered coons."


He also was banging a 13 year old when he was 20 and then they got married and half their kids died when they were babies

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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:07:58

I dunno. If we could get rid of all the regulations, taxes and Obamacare, we could all go back to be racist pedophiles.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby joe table » Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:14:23

Cap Anson had a Jim Washburn poster

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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby Rev_Beezer » Wed Aug 22, 2012 13:22:24

Randy Wolf released by Brewers today, on his birthday.
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 13:27:32

Bartolo Colon suspended 50 games by MLB. Probably for beef injections amirite

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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Wed Aug 22, 2012 13:28:17

who wouldve thought?
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Re: Safe and Secure with Baseball Random Thoughts

Postby Barry Jive » Wed Aug 22, 2012 13:38:52

tested positive for testosterone, which makes me wonder about the rest of MLB players

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