Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby joe table » Mon Feb 13, 2012 16:32:08

Can't wait to see Thome's new Tony Gwynn 5.5 hole ground ball single approach

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Feb 13, 2012 16:48:30

thome (among others) is on the front of the packet that my familys season tickets just came in. its real. this is happening.

http://instagr.am/p/G9akxPsI1p/

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby 1 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 17:39:25

CalvinBall wrote:thome (among others) is on the front of the packet that my familys season tickets just came in. its real. this is happening.

http://instagr.am/p/G9akxPsI1p/

My wife was freakin out about the choice of players there...

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby joe table » Tue Feb 14, 2012 01:15:23

Interesting article about potential new tv deal

The Phillies, according to Forbes magazine, netted some $24 million from their TV rights contracts with Comcast and PHL17 during the 2010 season. It's important to note the Phillies also profit from TV advertising sales, which they still handle in-house, to avoid sponsor conflicts in ballpark signage. The amount the Phillies earn from those sales is unknown, but in any future mega-deal, the Phillies could choose to cede the revenue from TV ad sales to Comcast or another broadcaster, if the price is right.

Still, the total payout of TV contract and ad revenue rights will dwarf whatever the Phillies earn under the current deal.

San Diego is the 26th largest market in baseball. Their 2011 local TV ratings were 3.15, or about a third of the Phillies' 9.12 number. And the Padres are reportedly on the verge of signing a 20-year deal with Fox Sports possibly worth as much as $1.5 billion. (This number, reported by USA Today, has been disputed. But it could include the value of an equity stake in the network.)

In Houston, the Astros will earn an average of $80 million a year beginning in 2013 through a joint-venture operation with Comcast, according to the New York Times. The Astros had baseball's worst local ratings in 2011.

The Angels lured Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson on the strength of a $3 billion TV rights deal signed with Fox Sports West. That agreement was reached despite the Angels posting baseball's fourth-worst local TV ratings in 2011.

Ownership for the other team in Los Angeles, the financially challenged Dodgers, is up for auction. But bidders are also vying for the value of the team's next TV deal, which can begin in 2014.

"You can spend $1.5 billion now to get the team," Scott Boras told USA Today last week, "but a month later, you're going to get $4 billion or $5 billion or more for the regional sports network."

And then Boras predicted the Phillies could land a deal even larger than that of the Dodgers.

For nine straight seasons, the Phillies' local ratings have risen. Over that period, the growth is 176 percent, according to Sports Business Daily. In San Diego, where the Padres are about to profit, the local ratings decreased 41 percent from 2010 to 2011.

So, yes, we are talking about a possible $5 billion dollar infusion beginning in 2016. And by then, who knows what sort of premium price is being placed on live sports on TV?


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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Feb 14, 2012 01:37:35

i know comcast spectacor is a massive company but i just dont know how they are going to pay for all these television deals. 5 billion. goodness.

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby jamiethekiller » Tue Feb 14, 2012 08:47:35

always thought middleton looked like donald duck

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Feb 14, 2012 08:59:30

CalvinBall wrote:i know comcast spectacor is a massive company but i just dont know how they are going to pay for all these television deals. 5 billion. goodness.


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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby FTN » Tue Feb 14, 2012 09:58:54

phillies should definitely start floating the idea of their own rsn. leverage baby, leverage.

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby Grotewold » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:00:54

Apparently Beane was in town the other day and said watching the '93 Phillies offense was a key factor in how he decided to build the A's

Prompting the perfunctory "but they had all those pitchers," and "Moneyball has never won anything" crap from Glen Macnow

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/phillies- ... 286315-711
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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby Bucky » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:01:11

I'm a little confused as to how the Phillies get ANY money from the broadcast outlets if they (the phillies) collect all the ad revenue themselves. Isn't that ad revenue the value prop for the broadcasters??

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby Grotewold » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:09:49

Bucky wrote:I'm a little confused as to how the Phillies get ANY money from the broadcast outlets if they (the phillies) collect all the ad revenue themselves. Isn't that ad revenue the value prop for the broadcasters??


It brings cache to CSN as well as a great way to promote their other programming, but yeah, the incentive seems out of whack

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:16:07

If it's a typical network model, the Phils provide local avails to each broadcast affiliate. Otherwise, they may just provide a split of the ad revenues to the affiliates. Cable affiliates will pay a per subscriber monthly fee, too.
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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:51:02

And it's not like the people who run cable tv networks are rocket scientists.
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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby Ace Rothstein » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:41:47

FTN wrote:phillies should definitely start floating the idea of their own rsn. leverage baby, leverage.


Philly needs another RSN

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:45:00

Grotewold wrote:Apparently Beane was in town the other day and said watching the '93 Phillies offense was a key factor in how he decided to build the A's

Steroids?

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby Grotewold » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:46:13

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Apparently Beane was in town the other day and said watching the '93 Phillies offense was a key factor in how he decided to build the A's

Steroids?


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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby momadance » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:54:28

I think Comcast will just end up throwing a shit ton of money to keep them. They do own a percentage of CSN and CN8. Though, if they stay on CSN they should at least insist on ditching the whole non-satellite crap.

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby Wolfgang622 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:15:42

What are they doing down at CBP? There are about half a dozen sections in the upper deck that have had the seats ripped out, or at least that's what it looks like as I drive by, and it's been that way for a month or more.
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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby Woody » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:17:52

Probably replacing seats?
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Postby The B1G Piece » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:27:16

mozartpc27 wrote:What are they doing down at CBP? There are about half a dozen sections in the upper deck that have had the seats ripped out, or at least that's what it looks like as I drive by, and it's been that way for a month or more.

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