Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

by **cshort** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:30:32

So the Phillies have the highest payroll in the National League without a big TV deal. Imagine what they would do to the league with an extra $50-$75M a year. Just investing a portion of that in Latin America and the draft (even with a tax on overpaying) could reap big returns.

by **Bucky** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:30:56

dang canucks probably wrecked them just like they wrecked the playing surface

by **Youseff** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:32:10

Rick Ross wears a Larry Christenson jersey in one of his new videos. Weird choice.

by **FTN** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:34:18

cshort wrote:So the Phillies have the highest payroll in the National League without a big TV deal. Imagine what they would do to the league with an extra $50-$75M a year. Just investing a portion of that in Latin America and the draft (even with a tax on overpaying) could reap big returns.

I think its kind of the other way around. They are running on very thin profit margins now because they know the financial windfall is coming. They appear to be fundamentally against paying the luxury tax. So I don't think a new tv deal will suddenly convince them to spend $200M+ a year on payroll. It will allow them to stay right against the cap moving forward, while also removing all of the debt tied to the club because of the stadium. Then, as the new tv deal is expiring in 20 years, they can look at building a new park to replace CBP, which will be almost 30 years old at that point.

by **Bucky** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:37:55

The philosophy will probably be altered in the near future, but I think that the Phillies are still one of the only 'old school' organizations where an annual profit for the owners is not an underlying motivation. Their philosophy seems to be to continually re-invest their dividends for (a) the fun of winning and (b) to increase the value of their stake in the club.

by **FTN** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 13:46:17

But I dont think they will go over the luxury tax threshold. When the Red Sox were spending ridiculous sums of money on the draft every year, directly defying the Commish, the Phillies (who had similar revenues and the same 100% attendance) were more closely adhering to the Commish's recommendations. MLB doesn't want teams spending over the luxury tax, which is why the punishment for repeat offenders is a really high tax rate. Going back to Bill Giles, the Phillies have always kept in good standing with the office of MLB. They don't spend lavishly in Latin America or the draft, which pleases Selig. I just can't see the philosophy changing. The Phillies are in the financial elite. With the added revenue, I can see them trying to modify/improve CBP and give fans even more for their money. I can also see them freezing ticket prices or really slowing the increase. But I don't see them doing anything that would piss off Selig/the next Commissioner.

by 1 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 14:11:20

mozartpc27 wrote:What are they doing down at CBP? There are about half a dozen sections in the upper deck that have had the seats ripped out, or at least that's what it looks like as I drive by, and it's been that way for a month or more.

probably going to move the team out west overnight

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 14:46:42

The luxury tax threshold escalates during the new CBA, but not by a ton.

by **FullCount** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 15:04:46

It's important to note the Phillies also profit from TV advertising sales, which they still handle in-house, to avoid sponsor conflicts in ballpark signage. The amount the Phillies earn from those sales is unknown, but in any future mega-deal, the Phillies could choose to cede the revenue from TV ad sales to Comcast or another broadcaster, if the price is right.

I heard that they retained the right for ad sales before but had not seen this explanation. It appears to explain why they seem to have a very small inventory of broadcast advertisers whose commercials appear over and over and over. On the face of it, it's an unusual approach to have in-stadium signage drive TV ad deals but there should be added value for any advertiser who signs on for a sponsorship deal without fear of getting ambushed by a competitor buying up ad time. Presumably the Phils should be getting more than the signage and ad rates would each cost independently. But the limited inventory makes you wonder.

by **Grotewold** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 17:21:57

CSN Phils chat commenter wrote:polanco galvis brown ammount for wright?

by **Napalm** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 17:23:25

Grotewold wrote:
CSN Phils chat commenter wrote:polanco galvis brown ammount for wright?

if you turn on the force trade option from the settings menu in franchise mode, yea i guess it works.

by **SK790** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 17:26:29

p sure rube can do that irl.

by **stevelxa476** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 17:52:48

Can someone with ESPN Insider share what their future rankings are for baseball?

by **CFP** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 17:56:50

Aumont will soon take over as the most commonly misspelled Phil.

by **Barry Jive** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 18:05:34

i guess i can settle for #20

by **stevelxa476** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 18:22:16

Thanks ek.

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 19:24:33

The B1G Piece wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:What are they doing down at CBP? There are about half a dozen sections in the upper deck that have had the seats ripped out, or at least that's what it looks like as I drive by, and it's been that way for a month or more.

Tainted from previous BSG outings.

by **jamiethekiller** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 19:51:12

one of my favorite scenes. what a great movie.

by **PhillieMooDo** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 20:25:32

jamiethekiller wrote:one of my favorite scenes. what a great movie.

The movie was okay...needed more of those interactions, imo. But that scene had me rolling.

by **FTN** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 22:26:57

comment from that espn org rankings thing

cjl4959
How are the phillies not in this sub-section? Their farm system is devoid of talent due to them emptying it for over-priced pitchers, and they have way too many $18 mil - $25 million/year long-term contracts. they are screwed from 2012 through the foreseeable future. especially with their playoff meal tickets getting better every year (anyone can win 102 games when you play 54 games against the Mets, Marlins, and Nationals each year).

Archived

Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball

Re: Random FM Musings of Phillies Baseball