If he hits FA healthy I don't see why he wouldn't be looking at 150mm+ in FA though. Both the ALE teams would be interested. Weaver potentially left a ton of cash on the table

nycphils wrote:Weaver got 5/85m (AAV $17m)...Hamels is more accomplished and younger, I think, and 1/2 season closer to FA. Maybe 5/90m gets it done...something like $12m, $15m, $18m, $20m, $22m with a $3m buyout or team option at $23 m. Agent can claim 6yrs, $113.

If Hamels would take that, it should be easily doable.

Weaver would have been a FA after 2012, the same time as Hamels. He's a little more than 9 months older. He's equally as durable, and he's been at least as good as Hamels in the recent past, if not better.

The difference is that Weaver admits he took a bit of a discount for the security and because he wanted to stay on the Angels. It sounds like Hamels is not interested in doing the same, but I have no idea.

You may be right that he just wants to go FA and try to get 5/120 like Lee or 7/$150 like Sabathia. If so, he may price himself out of the Phils range, and will play for the Yanks (they clearly have the $$ and don't have that much committed in a couple years). Don't see who else would sign him for that - in 2014 the Red Sox have $17 mill for Beckett, $16 mill for Lackey and Lester scheduled for FA, not to mention $40m+ committed to Gonzalez and Crawford and Ellsbury scheduled for FA.

However, if the article is to be believed and he's looking for $17-$20 per year, 5/90 is there. If I were him though, regardless of where I went I'd rather take 5 years and be a FA again at 33 yrs old instead of 7 years and 35 yrs old. He can still get a 5/120 deal at 33 years old, especially if he wins a Cy or 2 in the interim.

He could look for that CC 7 year, plus opt out, deal though. And honestly I think the Yankees would give him whatever he wants, they are so desperate for front end pitching. I'm moderately concerned about this possibility

If Amaro won't sign him for $17 mill per after giving Papelbon $15 per, he's worse than Hitler.

Although part of me thinks Amaro is laughing that Hamels will sign for as little as $17 per then phoning Salisbury and telling them they can't afford it to drive the price even lower.

I'm thinking 5 years 95-100 m for Hamels.

He's not as accomplished as Halladay or Lee. Weaver took a discount. The Verlander deal plus time value might be a good guide.

bleh wrote:If Amaro won't sign him for $17 mill per after giving Papelbon $15 per, he's worse than Hitler.

Although part of me thinks Amaro is laughing that Hamels will sign for as little as $17 per then phoning Salisbury and telling them they can't afford it to drive the price even lower.

In regards to My usage of the drug... it modified my personality to the extent that I was highly irritable I was like a Crack Hitler

bleh wrote:If Amaro won't sign him for $17 mill per after giving Papelbon $15 per, he's worse than Hitler.

Although part of me thinks Amaro is laughing that Hamels will sign for as little as $17 per then phoning Salisbury and telling them they can't afford it to drive the price even lower.

Papelbon "only" got $12.5 million per, didn't he?

Trent Steele wrote:

bleh wrote:If Amaro won't sign him for $17 mill per after giving Papelbon $15 per, he's worse than Hitler.

Although part of me thinks Amaro is laughing that Hamels will sign for as little as $17 per then phoning Salisbury and telling them they can't afford it to drive the price even lower.

In regards to My usage of the drug... it modified my personality to the extent that I was highly irritable I was like a Crack Hitler

Rube just needs to be aggressive.

bleh wrote:If Amaro won't sign him for $17 mill per after giving Papelbon $15 per, he's worse than Hitler.

Although part of me thinks Amaro is laughing that Hamels will sign for as little as $17 per then phoning Salisbury and telling them they can't afford it to drive the price even lower.

Maths not your strong suit is it bleh? Pap is getting 12.5 per, not 15.

ryanlawrence21 Ryan Lawrence
#Phillies offer arbitration to Rollins, Madson and Ibanez.

Ibanez?!?!?!?!

yeah wtf

that can't be right

#retractionpending

ryanlawrence21 Ryan Lawrence
Ibanez somewhat surprising, since he made $12 million last season and players almost always get raises in arbitration. #Phillies

HighCheese David Murphy
Gotta think Ibanez has already told them he will decline. Makes no obvious sense otherwise

Wait... What!? Doesn't Rube hate draft picks and offering arb?

Very scared right now

they have to have a handshake deal in place where he declines

No arbitration for Oswalt or Lidge