2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Grotewold » Wed Jul 27, 2011 09:20:44

Soren wrote:aren't there rules about % of a paycut you can take to stay with a team as a FA?


Oh, maybe.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Grotewold » Wed Jul 27, 2011 09:39:34

Utley and Victorino on pace for hella WAR

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Squire » Wed Jul 27, 2011 09:43:35

Grotewold wrote:
Soren wrote:aren't there rules about % of a paycut you can take to stay with a team as a FA?


Oh, maybe.


I think the only rules relate to how much lower your arb offer is. Phillies could decline to offer arb but still agree on a K with Ibanez.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby The B1G Piece » Wed Jul 27, 2011 09:43:45

Utley slash lines:

May - .222/.364/.370/.734 2 XBH
June - .297/.387/.473/.859 9 XBH
July - .299/.386/.545/.932 11 XBH

139 OPS+

Yeah, he is pretty fucking good.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:46:22

Squire wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Soren wrote:aren't there rules about % of a paycut you can take to stay with a team as a FA?


Oh, maybe.


I think the only rules relate to how much lower your arb offer is. Phillies could decline to offer arb but still agree on a K with Ibanez.


Maybe I'm misremembering, but I didn't think you could re-sign a player you don't offer arb. to until like May or something stupid like that. I'm probably wrong.
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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby jamiethekiller » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:47:29

ek wrote:
The Savior wrote:utley quietly starting to piece together a really good year...

.932 ops while hitting .299 in july

i would've gladly taken an .870 ops back in february when utley had only 1 knee to work with



his season ops is what .875? and he had a terrible start to his year when he was still in spring training basically



from fangraphs powerrankings this week

3. Philadelphia: Last week – 3, WAR% – .606 (4), FAN% – .556 (3), TOTAL% – .587
Don’t look now, but Chase Utley is really starting to heat up. His 0.7 WAR last week was tied for fourth-best among position players, he has a 155 wRC+ in July, and his 142 wRC+ for the season would be his third-highest single-season total if he can maintain it.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:53:58

Bill McNeal wrote:
Squire wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Soren wrote:aren't there rules about % of a paycut you can take to stay with a team as a FA?


Oh, maybe.


I think the only rules relate to how much lower your arb offer is. Phillies could decline to offer arb but still agree on a K with Ibanez.


Maybe I'm misremembering, but I didn't think you could re-sign a player you don't offer arb. to until like May or something stupid like that. I'm probably wrong.



Link
Found the rules

A player with six or more years of major-league service (on the team's 40-man roster) who is not under contract for the following season is automatically a free agent.

Teams can receive compensation for the player with a draft pick in the following year's draft in June. To receive compensation, the team must offer the player salary arbitration.

It is then up to the player to either accept arbitration or sign with another team. The team must offer salary arbitration to the player by early December or the team will not be allowed to negotiate with or sign the player until the following May 1. After arbitration is offered, the player has two weeks to accept or refuse salary arbitration. If it is refused, the player can only negotiate with the club until Jan. 7. after which no more negotiation can take place until May 1.



says if the player refuses to accept arbitration then they can't negotiate with the team until May 1.
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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby stevemc » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:58:10

actually - I think it is saying that they must offer arbitration by early December and either go to arb. with the player or not be able to resign them. What I don't think this speaks to is the ability to sign the player shortly after the World Series but before the supposed arbitration deadline. So in this instance, we could talk to Raul and sign him to a lesser contract with his full knowledge we will not offer arbitration and he'd be out on the street with the Phils not being an option for him.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 15:47:04

I missed Lidge's 2011 debut the other day. Did he get a nice ovation? I hope he did.
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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Grotewold » Wed Jul 27, 2011 15:48:13

mozartpc27 wrote:I missed Lidge's 2011 debut the other day. Did he get a nice ovation? I hope he did.


I didn't notice it on his way in. But he got a loud ovation on the way out.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby smitty » Wed Jul 27, 2011 15:54:05

One thing about the inside the parker. It was super cool and all but wasn't it kinda dumb to send him. That Schierholtz guy has a great arm is I remember right and the play at the plate was super close.

There were no outs. I think it was a dumb move to send him. But when dumb moves work out they're genius and gutsy and stuff.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Wolfgang622 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 15:54:14

Grotewold wrote:
mozartpc27 wrote:I missed Lidge's 2011 debut the other day. Did he get a nice ovation? I hope he did.


I didn't notice it on his way in. But he got a loud ovation on the way out.


Huzzah! I was hoping to see him pitch Friday or Sunday, but neither came to pass.
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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby Napalm » Wed Jul 27, 2011 15:57:17

smitty wrote:One thing about the inside the parker. It was super cool and all but wasn't it kinda dumb to send him. That Schierholtz guy has a great arm is I remember right and the play at the plate was super close.

There were no outs. I think it was a dumb move to send him. But when dumb moves work out they're genius and gutsy and stuff.

Baseball is a funny game.

It wasn't a 1 or even 2 run game, we had a comfortable lead. Why not get caught up in the drama of it?

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby smitty » Wed Jul 27, 2011 16:10:02

Napalm wrote:
smitty wrote:One thing about the inside the parker. It was super cool and all but wasn't it kinda dumb to send him. That Schierholtz guy has a great arm is I remember right and the play at the plate was super close.

There were no outs. I think it was a dumb move to send him. But when dumb moves work out they're genius and gutsy and stuff.

Baseball is a funny game.

It wasn't a 1 or even 2 run game, we had a comfortable lead. Why not get caught up in the drama of it?

whatev



Oh yeah. It was cool and everything. I loved watching it. It wasn't the smartest baseball play is all. I'm not sure Utley was stopping regardless. It was a fun play.

Also. the Phils have been a pretty good offensive team since Utley returned. Huge gigantic difference between having a great offensive guy (and defensive guy actually) vs. a replacement level player at 2B.

If Oswalt comes back healthy and good the Phils have had the equivalent of two great trades made this season already.

Meanwhile Chipper is limping around and McCann is on the DL.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby etched Chaos » Wed Jul 27, 2011 16:44:18

Utley is the #8 ranked 2B for WAR and he's played in half as many games as those around him. The only guy he's not smashing to a pulp WARwise is Pedroia.
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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 27, 2011 20:59:06

murphy seems like a real ahole

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Jul 27, 2011 21:07:40

CalvinBall wrote:murphy seems like a real ahole

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I thought that was a high quality tweet

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby SK790 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 21:10:17

Ya, I lol'd at that when I saw it.
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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby CalvinBall » Wed Jul 27, 2011 21:39:03

i mean i laughed too. i feel like he has malice behind it when he says things like that.

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Re: 2011 Random Phillies Stuff VI: Return Of The Nice Guy

Postby philliesphhan » Wed Jul 27, 2011 21:59:32

There's malice behind it because he hates Gonzo and rightly so
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