2011 ST Random Phillies Stuff II: Spring Harder

by **WheelsFellOff** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 20:39:53

Can he play second?

by **FTN** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 21:41:52

Beltran was slow coming back last season. But he was ballin' in September.

85 PA - .321/.365/.603

by **Wheels Tupay** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 22:24:56

Does anyone have that Carlos Ruiz having a ball pic?

by **CalvinBall** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:00:47

He plays for the Mets though. Why would they trade with us? Why would we trade with them?

by **The Dude** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:03:30

same reason they traded us turk wendell

by **FTN** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:08:40

CalvinBall wrote:He plays for the Mets though. Why would they trade with us? Why would we trade with them?

alderson was brought in to gut the team.

wright is like the very nice black suit, perfectly tailored and ready to go. beltran is the monocle you pick up to finish off the ensemble.

by **WheelsFellOff** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:23:04

Wheels Tupay wrote:Does anyone have that Carlos Ruiz having a ball pic?

by **FTN** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:29:23

dave cameron finding new and interesting ways to trash the Phillies

Link

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:32:39

I don't have insider

Please post relevant Phillies bashing

by **WheelsFellOff** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:34:23

jerseyhoya wrote:I don't have insider

Please post relevant Phillies bashing

Basically he said the Phillies are like onions in that he doesn't like them and they make him cry.

I didn't read it.

by **FTN** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:37:24

Below are the best and worst offensive performances from pitchers among NL teams in 2010. wRAA is Weighted Runs Above Average (or in this case, below average, since each team is in the negative compared to a league average hitting position player). Believe it or not, having a staff of good hitting pitchers can make an enormous difference.

3. Philadelphia - .136 wOBA, -56.5 wRAA
The Marlins and Pirates posted worse overall lines from their pitchers, but wRAA accounts for the fact that the Phillies' stadium is a pretty good place to hit -- unless, of course, you pitch for the Phillies. We shouldn't be surprised that AL escapees Roy Halladay and Joe Blanton aren't much with the bat, but Roy Oswalt is a lifelong NL pitcher and he was just as useless at the plate.

by **CrashburnAlley** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:39:01

That's Phillies bashing? :shock:

by **mcare89** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:39:55

It hurts me that people have to pay to read Dave Cameron's work.

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:41:25

I love the good hitting park line...as if it matters that it's marginally easier to hit homers when the relevant question for pitchers is whether there's more outfield space for their bloops to find turf.

by **swishnicholson** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:49:43

jerseyhoya wrote:I love the good hitting park line...as if it matters that it's marginally easier to hit homers when the relevant question for pitchers is whether there's more outfield space for their bloops to find turf.

It's certainly true, though. Moyer could bunt, and Hamels had one decent year but Phillies pitchers have been pretty woeful for a number of years (except in the postseason, of course). Oswalt never has been any good and Halladay, Lee and Blanton didn't have much chance to develop so I'm not sure how much can be done. Maybe something, although I don't know whether there's really any institutional lack or it's just the group that they've had to deal with.

Although all in all I prefer having pitchers who can pitch.

by **FTN** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:51:30

CrashburnAlley wrote:That's Phillies bashing?

not quite as bad as his "phillies preview" at fangraphs last week, which basically made these points

* the phillies have awesome pitching, which isnt a good thing, because pitchers get hurt
* the phillies offense might be terrible
* the phillies are probably going to miss the playoffs

by **jerseyhoya** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 23:56:23

swishnicholson wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I love the good hitting park line...as if it matters that it's marginally easier to hit homers when the relevant question for pitchers is whether there's more outfield space for their bloops to find turf.

It's certainly true, though. Moyer could bunt, and Hamels had one decent year but Phillies pitchers have been pretty woeful for a number of years (except in the postseason, of course). Oswalt never has been any good and Halladay, Lee and Blanton didn't have much chance to develop so I'm not sure how much can be done. Maybe something, although I don't know whether there's really any institutional lack or it's just the group that they've had to deal with.

Although all in all I prefer having pitchers who can pitch.

But the park doesn't make their stats look better than they'd be in a neutral or pitchers park. Even if the Phillies pitchers are bad hitters on the whole, his analysis is lacking in common sense.

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 00:00:33

jerseyhoya wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:I love the good hitting park line...as if it matters that it's marginally easier to hit homers when the relevant question for pitchers is whether there's more outfield space for their bloops to find turf.

It's certainly true, though. Moyer could bunt, and Hamels had one decent year but Phillies pitchers have been pretty woeful for a number of years (except in the postseason, of course). Oswalt never has been any good and Halladay, Lee and Blanton didn't have much chance to develop so I'm not sure how much can be done. Maybe something, although I don't know whether there's really any institutional lack or it's just the group that they've had to deal with.

Although all in all I prefer having pitchers who can pitch.

But the park doesn't make their stats look better than they'd be in a neutral or pitchers park. Even if the Phillies pitchers are bad hitters on the whole, his analysis is lacking in common sense.

Um, I kind of just chose a random post to chime in on the discussion :oops:

My comment was about the general criticism. You're right about the park thing, of course

by **smitty** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 00:34:10

Mariner pitchers hit real good so they are now the number 5 organization in all of beiseball including Cuba and China.

// Dave Cameron -- I'll tell you even more if you pay me.

by **mcare89** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 00:58:06

FTN wrote:
CrashburnAlley wrote:That's Phillies bashing?

not quite as bad as his "phillies preview" at fangraphs last week, which basically made these points

* the phillies have awesome pitching, which isnt a good thing, because pitchers get hurt
* the phillies offense might be terrible
* the phillies are probably going to miss the playoffs

I just read it and the one thing I laughed at is I read the Will Carroll SI article talking about how the Phillies have such a low risk/reward ratio, and then I read this:

They’ve bet big on a bunch of guys with health risks and a few guys with age-related questions. They need to win most of those gambles. If they do, they’re going to be nearly impossible to beat. If they don’t, this team could end up being a major disappointment.

Doesn't quite compute.

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