DSP's TV Thread (with J.E. Magee) [OT]

Postby Laexile » Mon Jun 11, 2007 17:09:49

This didn't give any resolution to that tension, it was just kind of random. It was peculiar. Sopranos have had a wide range of moods and approaches to a given episode and this one just didn't feel energetically, editing wise and emotionall what I would expect from the end.

I think that was intentional. It wasn't the end. It was just the last episode. Chase didn't build everything up to a big crescendo here. He did resolve certain things (the war with Phil, Christopher v. Tony, Junior, Sil, Paulie, Melfi and Tony, where Meadow and AJ are headed), but he didn't resolve them with rising action leading to a big conclusion. (e.g. Godfather) I was listening to public radio and they had someone on that said the Sex in the City finale wasn't true to the show. Everybody paired off and adopted babies. Apparently that isn't what the show was about.

This show was never about the mob v. the Feds, NY v. NJ, the big score, or Tony retiring. It was about the family next door, who just so happened to be mobbed up. The episode was uneven because that was Chase's format. He didn't do a show that had a beginning, middle, and end with each episode about a story that built to the last ten minutes and was resolved. He could have given you Tony and Junior in the last minute, but he chose to do it in the middle of the episode. While Junior's fate is sealed, the thing that they discussed, the missing money, is not.

David Chase created a show that told the story the way he wanted to tell it. We enjoyed it. But he didn't cater. He told it the way he wanted to the end.
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Postby Philly the Kid » Tue Jun 12, 2007 04:03:37

Laexile wrote:
This didn't give any resolution to that tension, it was just kind of random. It was peculiar. Sopranos have had a wide range of moods and approaches to a given episode and this one just didn't feel energetically, editing wise and emotionall what I would expect from the end.

I think that was intentional. It wasn't the end. It was just the last episode. Chase didn't build everything up to a big crescendo here. He did resolve certain things (the war with Phil, Christopher v. Tony, Junior, Sil, Paulie, Melfi and Tony, where Meadow and AJ are headed), but he didn't resolve them with rising action leading to a big conclusion. (e.g. Godfather) I was listening to public radio and they had someone on that said the Sex in the City finale wasn't true to the show. Everybody paired off and adopted babies. Apparently that isn't what the show was about.

This show was never about the mob v. the Feds, NY v. NJ, the big score, or Tony retiring. It was about the family next door, who just so happened to be mobbed up. The episode was uneven because that was Chase's format. He didn't do a show that had a beginning, middle, and end with each episode about a story that built to the last ten minutes and was resolved. He could have given you Tony and Junior in the last minute, but he chose to do it in the middle of the episode. While Junior's fate is sealed, the thing that they discussed, the missing money, is not.

David Chase created a show that told the story the way he wanted to tell it. We enjoyed it. But he didn't cater. He told it the way he wanted to the end.


I appreciate what your saying, I just have a slightly different take... it's not that i needed a big crescendo, but because it was the last episode I felt some things were fragmented and forced. As an epsiode on its own, it wasn't organic, it wasn't tight it didn't build its own mood. There have been a wide range of episodes over hte seasons with this show, some have been moody, dreamy, tense... this one wasn't any one thing it jumped all over. There was no profound dialog, or some key scene that would mean something to long time viewers? I didn't need so-called story lines per fectly sewn up, but perhaps a final scene with Melfi and Tony talking about something, some interesting dialog, or the geese landing in the yard again the fact is, the prior episode did try to seem like certain things were building up and there was tension and this finale just kind of dropped the ball. I didn't get any sense of satisfaction, as an isolated episode well crafted and satisfying on its own, nor as a closure to a fabulous series. There was a chat with Janice, a visit to Junior, a dad talk with Meadow... an odd sit down without Phil that seemed very inconsistent. Sil and Bobby were whacked and Tony is sitting there calm with a bunch of old rummies? Suddenly they turn on Phil? Ok, so Phil took a bullet... it tried to touch too many things and didn't really give satisfaction. It would have been better if it didn't try to touch so much and just was crisp provocative episode on its own... that's all I'm saying... it didn't stink it just wasn't special... and this entire last series of episodes I felt were a bit forced at times and perhaps they needed a full 12 to do it right?

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Jun 12, 2007 08:57:14

Meadow: "The state can crush the individual."
Tony: "New Jersey?"

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Postby dsp » Wed Jun 13, 2007 01:30:15

With The Sopranos now over, the 2006-2007 TV season is over. While the summer does offer good shows (Entourage, Rescue Me, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Weeds) and a lot of reality crap, me being the TV Nerd here, I'll throw out my mock Emmy nominations.

Drama:
Deadwood
Friday Night Lights
Lost
The Sopranos
The Wire

The Sopranos are basically a lock to win it in the real thing, which is sad considering that The Wire is a better show and had the greatest season ever for a TV show. Deadwood is off the radar now but it's 3rd season was superb. Lost, as we know, is quite awesome. FNL was the best show on network TV this year, you all should pick up the DVD.
Pick: The Wire

Comedy:
30 Rock
Extras
The Knights of Prosperity
The Office
Scrubs

Ugh. TV comedy isn't what is used to be. Expect to see Ugly Betty and Desperate Housewives here. 30 Rock progressed week to week, they hit stride by January and never looked back. Extras was just great, Gervais and Merchant are brilliant. Knights never had a shot, has no shot at a nomination, but the 8 episodes that aired were terrific. The Office couldn't match season 2, they might never, but it was still gold. Scrubs had some ups and downs and showed some signs of aging, but all in all its still a consistent laugh.
Pick: 30 Rock

Actor Drama
Ian McShane- Deadwood
Michael C. Hall- Dexter
Kyle Chandler- Friday Night Lights
Hugh Laurie- House
James Gandolfini- The Sopranos

Dennis Leary also deserves a nod, but whatever. McShane simply dominates the screen as Al Swearengen. Hall was creepy, scary and yet likable as a serial killer. Chandler pulled a 360 on me after I thought he blew in the pilot, I ended up loving him but the end of episode 3. Laurie, of course, is solid. He's great in everything he does. And good old Tony Soprano, been there, done that.
Pick: Hall

Actor Comedy
Alec Baldwin- 30 Rock
Ricky Gervais- Extras
Jason Lee- My Name is Earl
Steve Carrel- The Office
Zach Braff- Scrubs

No real shocks here. Baldwin stole the show and is simply an amazing comedic and dramatic actor. Gervais was so awkward and ridiculous, yet at points, you couldn't help but feel sorry for him. Lee was solid in a subpar season for Earl. Carrel and Braff, yada yada yada they're funny.
Pick: Baldwin

Actress Drama
Sally Field- Brothers and Sisters
Kyra Sedgwick- The Closer
Connie Britton- Friday Night Lights
Mariska Hargitay- Law & Order: SVU
Edie Falco- The Sopranos

Interesting field no matter how you shake it. Field came onto Brothers and Sisters late (after the show was picked up) and actually gave people a reason to watch it. Sedgwick somehow dominates a show that features the coach from Playmakers. Britton was the greatest milf ever, combining being a good mom with being insanely hot. Hargitay was preggers and missed some time, and the show was crap without here. Wonder why. Falco has won 1000 times for a reason.
Pick: Britton

Actress Comedy
Tichina Arnold- Everybody Hates Chris
Julia-Louise Dreyfuss- Old Christine
Sarah Silverman- The Sarah Silverman Program
America Ferrera- Ugly Betty
Mary-Louise Parker- Weeds

There's seriously no options. The only thing left is Tina Fey. Arnold reminds me every black mother I've ever met. Only funnier. And I know lots of black people. Elaine Benes holla. I love Sarah Silverman. She's hot, funny, smart, and yea. Great. The only way Ugly Betty would work is if Ferrera made it work. I guess she did. Parker is hot and she sells weed on a funny show. Sounds good to me.
Pick: Silverman

Supporting Actor Drama
Gerald McRaney- Deadwood
Zach Gilford- Friday Night Lights
Masi Oka- Heroes
Terry O'Quinn- Lost
Michael Imperioli- The Sopranos

Who the hell knows with supporting categories. McRaney was good in Jericho mpmcgraw, but much better as the evil George Hurst in Deadwood. Gilford was great as an akwar stuttering backup QB that somehow manages to go out with the coaches daughter. Oka was funny as Franklin on Scurbs, who the hell knows if he's good in this dorky comic book show. John Locke yes. Oh poor Christopher, you silly drug addict, you should've took Tony down when you had the chance.
Pick: Imperioli

Supporting Actor Comedy
Jack McBrayer- 30 Rock
Jeremy Piven- Entourage
Danny DeVito- It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
John C. McGinley- Scrubs
Justin Kirk- Weeds

Jim, Dwight and Andy from The Office all cancel each other out. So the lovable Kenneth from 30 Rock can come in a steal a spot, just like he stole our hearts with his love for the TV industry. Piven more of the same. DeVito is a nutjob, but who the hell cares. McGinley has been dynamite for six seasons and no one notices. Kirk probably has the best delivery of his lines among the five.
Pick: McGinley

Supporting Actress Drama
Robin Weigert- Deadwood
Julie Benz- Dexter
Chandra Wilson- Grey's Anatomy
Elizabeth Mitchell- Lost
Sonja Sohn- The Wire

Calamity Jane!! Benz was great as Dexter's girlfriend, as she played the whole "I've been sexually assaulted by my husband and now I'm dating a serial killer" card really well. Wilson is the only cast member from Grey's I can stand, aside from looking at Katherine Heigl. Oh Juliet I hate you, love you, hate you, want to kill you, then love you again. Someone needs to be recognized from The Wire, might as well be an ass kicking lesbian cop.
Pick: Mitchell

Supporting Actress Comedy
Ashley Jensen- Extras
Jaime Pressly- My Name is Earl
Jenna Fischer- The Office
Judy Reyes- Scrubs
Elizabeth Perkins- Weeds

Jensen almost stole the spotlight from Gervais with her knack for saying the worst possible thing at the worst possible time. Pressly should have won last year, as she continues to make trailer trash quite funny. Fischer sealed it her speech in Beach Games, and talking heads in The Job. Reyes had a kid, went through post-pardum depression and still managed to control everyone. Perkins had sex scenes with Kevin Nealon and showed off her rack.
Pick: Fischer

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Postby VoxOrion » Wed Jun 13, 2007 07:41:17

You need a blog.

Is Extras elegible, being it was a co-production with BBC and aired in the UK first?

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Postby MarkdlV » Wed Jun 13, 2007 07:45:00

Unfortunately, The Wire probably won't even be nominated for an Emmy.

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Jun 13, 2007 09:37:04

Entourage and Weeds are not good shows. They're bad shows.

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Postby MarkdlV » Wed Jun 13, 2007 09:48:42

Entourage is HBO's version of The Emperor's New Clothes. I've never been able to grasp why it is so popular. It truly astounds me when people describe it as "funny", let alone "hilarious".

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Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Jun 13, 2007 09:53:09

Sarah Silverman is not funny. you lose.
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Postby dsp » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:59:11

Bill McNeal wrote:Sarah Silverman is not funny. you lose.


hustin im very surprised. she centers in on low brow, racist and sex jokes. i thought thats right up your ally.

Entourage is more fun that good. I really don't laugh much, but yet enjoy the 20 minutes or so that the episode is on. So something is working there. Same with Weeds, though that is really funny at times.

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Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:09:22

dsp wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:Sarah Silverman is not funny. you lose.


hustin im very surprised. she centers in on low brow, racist and sex jokes. i thought thats right up your ally.

Entourage is more fun that good. I really don't laugh much, but yet enjoy the 20 minutes or so that the episode is on. So something is working there. Same with Weeds, though that is really funny at times.


Believe me, I love racist and sexist humor, but it has to be clever or smart. Hers in neither, she gets by as "funny" because she's a a cute Jewish chick and she makes Jew and Black jokes, I don't see her as groundbreaking or wildely original as a lot of critics do, I see her as the same old, same old in a new hot package.
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Postby jemagee » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:10:13

She's cute?
Really?
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Postby The Red Tornado » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:10:56

jemagee wrote:She's cute?
Really?


for a jewish chick I guess
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Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:11:24

jemagee wrote:She's cute?
Really?


some seem to think so, she's on the cover of the Maxim 100 hottest women issue.
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Postby jemagee » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:12:24

Bill McNeal wrote:
jemagee wrote:She's cute?
Really?

some seem to think so, she's on the cover of the Maxim 100 hottest women issue.

Ah, now i get it,
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Postby dsp » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:20:14

Bill McNeal wrote:
dsp wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:Sarah Silverman is not funny. you lose.


hustin im very surprised. she centers in on low brow, racist and sex jokes. i thought thats right up your ally.

Entourage is more fun that good. I really don't laugh much, but yet enjoy the 20 minutes or so that the episode is on. So something is working there. Same with Weeds, though that is really funny at times.


Believe me, I love racist and sexist humor, but it has to be clever or smart. Hers in neither, she gets by as "funny" because she's a a cute Jewish chick and she makes Jew and Black jokes, I don't see her as groundbreaking or wildely original as a lot of critics do, I see her as the same old, same old in a new hot package.


well i guess to each his own. but she cracks me up. and i love jews.

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Postby jemagee » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:20:55

you're also well established as the lowest comedy denominator when it comes to comedy - so you finding someone funny isn't exactly an indicator of actual humor
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Postby Bill McNeal » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:21:03

dsp wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:
dsp wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:Sarah Silverman is not funny. you lose.


hustin im very surprised. she centers in on low brow, racist and sex jokes. i thought thats right up your ally.

Entourage is more fun that good. I really don't laugh much, but yet enjoy the 20 minutes or so that the episode is on. So something is working there. Same with Weeds, though that is really funny at times.


Believe me, I love racist and sexist humor, but it has to be clever or smart. Hers in neither, she gets by as "funny" because she's a a cute Jewish chick and she makes Jew and Black jokes, I don't see her as groundbreaking or wildely original as a lot of critics do, I see her as the same old, same old in a new hot package.


well i guess to each his own. but she cracks me up. and i love jews.


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Postby dsp » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:25:27

Bill McNeal wrote:
dsp wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:
dsp wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:Sarah Silverman is not funny. you lose.


hustin im very surprised. she centers in on low brow, racist and sex jokes. i thought thats right up your ally.

Entourage is more fun that good. I really don't laugh much, but yet enjoy the 20 minutes or so that the episode is on. So something is working there. Same with Weeds, though that is really funny at times.


Believe me, I love racist and sexist humor, but it has to be clever or smart. Hers in neither, she gets by as "funny" because she's a a cute Jewish chick and she makes Jew and Black jokes, I don't see her as groundbreaking or wildely original as a lot of critics do, I see her as the same old, same old in a new hot package.


well i guess to each his own. but she cracks me up. and i love jews.


that's why you and I can never be together.


ive come to accept that. just like ive come to accept jemagee being miserable all the time.

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Wed Jun 13, 2007 13:09:09

I guess it's your prerogative to not like Silverman, and she certainly couldn't stand up to the wave of hype that accompanied her movie, but the whole "people just like her because she's a cute chick" line is plain retarded.

"Everyone knows the best time to have a baby is when you're a black teenager" is pretty darn funny.

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