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Postby EndlessSummer » Mon Jul 06, 2009 17:48:23

I don't know if it's been mentioned here or elsewhere, but it cracks me up how in the baseball themed version of the Pepsi commercial with Bob Dylan and Will I Am there is a clip of Bobby Abreu catching a ball and crashing into the wall.

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Postby smitty » Mon Jul 06, 2009 17:54:01

Here's an interesting article:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/morgan-dunn.

Since it's so hard to accurately capture defensive value, this is a hard thing to prove (that Nyjer Morgan is as valuable as Dunn) but it's interesting to think about.

Right now I'd disagree because I think guys like Morgan are pretty easy to get while there are around zero hitters like Dunn. But it's worth debating. Dunn really is awful in the field.
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Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Jul 06, 2009 19:46:40

hamilton off the dl, chris davis optioned to triple a

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Postby philliesphhan » Tue Jul 07, 2009 00:14:24

Pud Galvin

Galvin was the first baseball player to be widely known for using performance-enhancing drugs. In 1889, over 100 years before the current steroid controversy in Major League Baseball, Galvin openly used the Brown-Séquard elixir, which contained monkey testosterone.
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Postby 21McBride » Tue Jul 07, 2009 14:54:12

Allen Barra of the WSJ takes up the case for Dick Allen HOF

From 1964 through 1972, Allen was the best hitter in baseball. He may be more than just a player who deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. At his peak, he might have been better than any other player - Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose not excepted - who doesn’t have a plaque in Cooperstown. He was a much better player than Jim Rice, who was voted in this year.

Unfortunately, Allen was also what William C. Kashatus, author of September Swoon: Richie Allen, the ‘64 Phillies, and Racial Integration, called “the wrong player in the wrong place at the wrong time.” The long, rancorous history of Allen’s relationships with an all-white Philadelphia press - most notably Bill Conlin and Larry Merchant, the latter regarded by many of the Phillies as a “throat-cutter” - was summed up best by Kashatus in comments to me: “Dick had a very undeserved reputation as a malcontent. For his first seven seasons, he clashed with the Philadelphia press, the toughest in the country, and the fans believed what they read. The fact is that nearly all of Allen’s teammates and managers liked him and regarded him as a hugely valuable player.”

The incident that most defined Allen’s war with the local press was his fight with teammate Frank Thomas in 1965, a clash sparked by Thomas’ racial gibes, which Philadelphia sportswriters, particularly Merchant, vehemently denied at the time. Thomas, an aging and unproductive player, was subsequently sold. No matter how well Allen played after that, he was subjected to lethal booing, not just in Philadelphia and much of it tinged with racial slurs.


Allen needs to be inducted while he's living. I wonder if he would even show up for the ceremony?

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Postby Soren » Tue Jul 07, 2009 16:20:18

Dick Allen is a player that makes me kind of embarrassed to be a Philadelphian, the same way Alabamians should be embarrassed about the handling of civil right's demonstrators.
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Postby philliesphhan » Tue Jul 07, 2009 18:25:29

You could even extend that until 1974, and he was still the best. Dick Allen not in the HOF is a giant snub I just don't understand.
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Postby BigEd76 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 16:45:37

The Pirates have only scored in 3 of their last 38 innings.

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Postby Bucky » Thu Jul 09, 2009 15:45:18

H-O-L-Y POOP

How about this game?? September 18, 1971.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1971 ... HI1971.htm

Rick Wise gives up 3 runs and 5 hits before the first out of the second inning. He proceeds to retire the next 32 Cubs in a row. He goes 12 full innings to get the victory, hitting the walk-off single himself in the bottom of the 12th inning. That single was in addition to two doubles he had that day. And the 12 innning, 4-3 Phillies victory was played in 2:59, in front of 7,740 faithful and the brand-new Vet....

WHY DID WE EVER TRADE THAT GUY

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Postby smitty » Thu Jul 09, 2009 15:58:05

A LOT of people were pissed about the trade at the time. Wise for Carlton? Jeez. Wise was like our only good player. Our best pitcher and our best hitter. And Carlton lost 19 games just two years earlier with the Cardinals (who were actually good).

Wow. I just looked up Wise. He allowed 23 unearned runs in 1971. That's a lot isn't it?
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Postby BigEd76 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 15:58:19


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Postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 16:06:54

Soren wrote:Dick Allen is a player that makes me kind of embarrassed to be a Philadelphian, the same way Alabamians should be embarrassed about the handling of civil right's demonstrators.


I think what you mean by this is: The treatment of Dick Allen makes me kind of embarassed to be a Philadelphian, the same way Alabamians should be embarassed about the handling of civil rights demonstrators. Am I right? Because what you wrote is quite different...
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Postby Bucky » Thu Jul 09, 2009 16:12:13

yeah i read that three times meself before i figured it out

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Postby BigEd76 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 17:04:23

Oakland will retire Rickey's #24 on August 1

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jul 09, 2009 17:19:08

I don't like the all-star break, and I'm not much a fan of the all-star game either. But I guess this year I should consider myself fortunate that the break is only 3 days long. But I don't know why that game was moved from 9/21. Does the Farmer's Almanac predict rain that day?
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Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Jul 09, 2009 17:53:10

TenuredVulture wrote:I don't like the all-star break, and I'm not much a fan of the all-star game either. But I guess this year I should consider myself fortunate that the break is only 3 days long. But I don't know why that game was moved from 9/21. Does the Farmer's Almanac predict rain that day?


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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jul 09, 2009 18:26:00

ReadingPhilly wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:I don't like the all-star break, and I'm not much a fan of the all-star game either. But I guess this year I should consider myself fortunate that the break is only 3 days long. But I don't know why that game was moved from 9/21. Does the Farmer's Almanac predict rain that day?


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Are the Dolphins that popular already?
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Postby AndyMusser » Thu Jul 09, 2009 23:08:01

With Utley's and Werth's HRs tonight, the Phillies became the 2nd team ever to have 4 guys with 20+ HRs before the ASB joining the 2000 Blue Jays

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Postby Grotewold » Thu Jul 09, 2009 23:19:07

Charlie Hough was Hawaiian born? I figured he came out roping steer

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jul 09, 2009 23:19:58

Also, didn't Ron Darling grow up in NE? He's always talking about going to Fenway in the 1986 WS and having tons of family there and it being nuts.

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