I think Myers assrapes them on Friday. I cant give up till then at the earliest

Im out as soon as we lose one to the Mets, I think we have a shot at the sweep though. Just need three great starts from our three most consistent pitchers. My Prediction... Myers 8inn, 2 ERs= win, Moyer 7inn, 3ERs= win, Hamels 8+inn, 0ERs= Phils win 2-0.

So no, not yet.

commit, motherfathers!!!

is this the thread where we discuss offseason moves the Phillies should make to help them return to the playoffs next year?

stick a fork in me

LongDrive wrote:is this the thread where we discuss offseason moves the Phillies should make to help them return to the playoffs next year?

nope. this is the thread where you man up and admit you no longer believe. when your name is added to the list, you give up all rights to celebrate when they inevitably win out and run the table in the playoffs. it takes a real dude.

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LongDrive wrote:is this the thread where we discuss offseason moves the Phillies should make to help them return to the playoffs next year?

nope. this is the thread where you man up and admit you no longer believe. when your name is added to the list, you give up all rights to celebrate when they inevitably win out and run the table in the playoffs. it takes a real dude.

oh, you can count me in because I felt there was something wrong with this team back in July and there is no chance they make the playoffs.

well, there's 22(?) games left but you fellows are making it difficult for me to keep an open mind

I can't wait to laugh at every single one of you after we sweep the Mets like the chumps they are this weekend.

I was out before being out was cool.

it's not impossible. it's just a very low chance at this point-- approx 20-25% chance of coming back 3 games against a team with 22 games left and only 3 against them on the road.

if we could liken our whole season to a baseball game, odds wise, here's the situation:

At Home
Bottom 8th
Losing by 1
2 out
man on 1st

In mid-June our situation could be thought of as:

At Home
Bottom th
Winning by 2
1 out
no one on.

that's what makes this hurt most, i think. we're not out but we're in dire shape. getting swept would pretty much make last year's comeback seem probable. losing two of three puts us in a situation where we would need to win about 16 of our last 19. we need this series. otherwise, it's all but done. this is our big chance. we only came back from 7 with 17 to go because we swept the mets last year in september. through the other 14 games, we were just 10-4 and they were just 5-9. it was the sweep that did it. it's the bottom of 8th with a runner on. somebody hit one into the gap!

I remember when we had like a 5 game lead.

then we started playing good teams.

and we went in the tank.

awh hell

MattS wrote:it's not impossible. it's just a very low chance at this point-- approx 20-25% chance of coming back 3 games against a team with 22 games left and only 3 against them on the road.

if we could liken our whole season to a baseball game, odds wise, here's the situation:

At Home
Bottom 8th
Losing by 1
2 out
man on 1st

In mid-June our situation could be thought of as:

At Home
Bottom th
Winning by 2
1 out
no one on.

that's what makes this hurt most, i think. we're not out but we're in dire shape. getting swept would pretty much make last year's comeback seem probable. losing two of three puts us in a situation where we would need to win about 16 of our last 19. we need this series. otherwise, it's all but done. this is our big chance. we only came back from 7 with 17 to go because we swept the mets last year in september. through the other 14 games, we were just 10-4 and they were just 5-9. it was the sweep that did it. it's the bottom of 8th with a runner on. somebody hit one into the gap!

MattS, espn, which uses coolstandings.com has the phils chances currently at 31.2%. But the phils need to at least take 2 of 3

AndyMusser wrote:

MattS wrote:it's not impossible. it's just a very low chance at this point-- approx 20-25% chance of coming back 3 games against a team with 22 games left and only 3 against them on the road.

if we could liken our whole season to a baseball game, odds wise, here's the situation:

At Home
Bottom 8th
Losing by 1
2 out
man on 1st

In mid-June our situation could be thought of as:

At Home
Bottom th
Winning by 2
1 out
no one on.

that's what makes this hurt most, i think. we're not out but we're in dire shape. getting swept would pretty much make last year's comeback seem probable. losing two of three puts us in a situation where we would need to win about 16 of our last 19. we need this series. otherwise, it's all but done. this is our big chance. we only came back from 7 with 17 to go because we swept the mets last year in september. through the other 14 games, we were just 10-4 and they were just 5-9. it was the sweep that did it. it's the bottom of 8th with a runner on. somebody hit one into the gap!

MattS, espn, which uses coolstandings.com has the phils chances currently at 31.2%. But the phils need to at least take 2 of 3

i don't think that includes today's game, does it? coolstandings.com two ways of doing it have us at 35.9 and 31.2 going in. our odds have gone down about 10-12% every day that they have lost a game on the mets recently.

It's quite worrisome, I'll say that.

MattS wrote:

AndyMusser wrote:

MattS wrote:it's not impossible. it's just a very low chance at this point-- approx 20-25% chance of coming back 3 games against a team with 22 games left and only 3 against them on the road.

if we could liken our whole season to a baseball game, odds wise, here's the situation:

At Home
Bottom 8th
Losing by 1
2 out
man on 1st

In mid-June our situation could be thought of as:

At Home
Bottom th
Winning by 2
1 out
no one on.

that's what makes this hurt most, i think. we're not out but we're in dire shape. getting swept would pretty much make last year's comeback seem probable. losing two of three puts us in a situation where we would need to win about 16 of our last 19. we need this series. otherwise, it's all but done. this is our big chance. we only came back from 7 with 17 to go because we swept the mets last year in september. through the other 14 games, we were just 10-4 and they were just 5-9. it was the sweep that did it. it's the bottom of 8th with a runner on. somebody hit one into the gap!

MattS, espn, which uses coolstandings.com has the phils chances currently at 31.2%. But the phils need to at least take 2 of 3

i don't think that includes today's game, does it? coolstandings.com two ways of doing it have us at 35.9 and 31.2 going in. our odds have gone down about 10-12% every day that they have lost a game on the mets recently.

Just checked, it doesnt includes todays game, what do you expect the % to be going into the weekend at Shea

about 20-25%. tradesports.com has us at 25/32.5 bid/ask but that tends to update slowly. it was 28/32.5 earlier and someone probably just bought up all the 28 contracts. by tomorrow, it should be around 24/28 which is probably optimistic. BP will probably have us at 20% tomorrow, coolstandings.com will probably have us at 23% or so, i'd guess.

I haven't seriously believed in them at all this year, and after watching today's game, I am definitely out. No more believin' in the Phightin's here.

MattS wrote:about 20-25%. tradesports.com has us at 25/32.5 bid/ask but that tends to update slowly. it was 28/32.5 earlier and someone probably just bought up all the 28 contracts. by tomorrow, it should be around 24/28 which is probably optimistic. BP will probably have us at 20% tomorrow, coolstandings.com will probably have us at 23% or so, i'd guess.

Ohh ok, good info

I misunderstood the question--I thought it was referring to tonight's game, not the whole season. I'm not even close to giving up, but I'll probably take a few days off from paying attention to the games. It is, thank God, the beginning of football season.