Do you like/listen to Jazz?

Where are you with Jazz music?

I like it here and there, don't know too much about it
17
38%
I like it and know it mostly through its use in HipHop
0
No votes
I listen to Jazz maybe 20% of the time
5
11%
Jazz is a regular part of my listening life
9
20%
Huge Jazz head
4
9%
Don't like it or don't get it
10
22%
 
Total votes : 45

Postby Philly the Kid » Sun Aug 03, 2008 16:36:08

Giant Steps

The original:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kotK9FNEYU&feature=related[/youtube]

McCoy a Phila. native... unreal version

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PukuQPUKfyU[/youtube]

Gonzalo Rubalcaba tenacious...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4HPqJyBMrU&feature=related[/youtube]


For those who don't know, Giant Steps is a Coltrane tune from the 1961 Atlantic Recording of the same name. At the time, it revolutionized Jazz because the chord changes were unusual, and provided a harmonic structure not yet experienced in Jazz and the tempo is very fast. Over the years, "Giant Stpes" became kind of a "proving your manhood" tune amongst Jazz heads. The question will always be, "can you play Giant Steps...?" I remember talking to Alto Sax Bobby Watson at some odd gig at La Salle University in the 80's and we were prasiing him, and he deferred talking about Tenor man George Coleman, he said, and I qutoe, "he can play Giant Steps in all 12 keys..." ...

The piano player on the original version here is Tommy Flanagan. A nice piano player and who was brought in by Atlantic for the session and was way over his head and over-matched with the tempo and new harmonies. Later on he re-corded it again to save his name! :-)

The version by McCoy Tyner Coltran'es longtime piano man, is the most complex and advanced. There's also a very strange but interesting solo Alto Sax version by Anthony Braxton on Arista records from the late 70's. There's even a cool version for Big Band with Woody Herman.

This is not free jazz, or avant garde jazz, this is still straight ahead, swingin hard jazz -- and most top jazz artists can play this tune with some merit -- but I still enjoy the tune. I've seen McCoy do this tune live several times over the years and never lack for being blown away and reminded why I ultimately gave up the piano....

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Postby FTN » Sun Aug 03, 2008 16:55:29

Kurt Rosenwinkel "Untitled Improv"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzR1tAo-gRU[/youtube]

Rosenwinkel + Mehldau + Redman + Grenadier + Ali Jackson

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux3smPnLypc[/youtube]

Grant Green "Mozart Symphony #40 In G Minor"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waeN-keNRUU[/youtube]

Bill Frisell "Ron Carter"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVWwX7rBS8k[/youtube]

Bill Frisell "Ventura"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpu33a_Y8VU[/youtube]

Naked City "Party Girl"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8or9NfIx0g[/youtube]

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Postby Philly the Kid » Sun Aug 03, 2008 17:59:14

[quote="FTN"]Kurt Rosenwinkel "Untitled Improv"

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzR1tAo-gRU[/youtube]

this is nice. do you know the brazilian guitarist Romero Lubambo? You might dig him... if you can't find him solo, then look for him with singer Luciana Souza doing duets... guy is amazing!

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Postby FTN » Sun Aug 10, 2008 18:43:29

Listening to this...

Jack De Johnette's Oneness 4tet
Montreal Jazz Festival
June-xx- 1997


Trade cd>burned>Db poweramp> (flac) level 6

Samples

This is from my own trade Cd.

However, I'm pretty sure that this has been seeded before.
The trader I got this from is a dime member, so this is likely the
same as any previous dime seed. (received originally data DVD).


Jack DeJohnette - Drums
Michael Cain-keys
Jerome Harris-gtr
Jauheem Lartee-perc.

1. Miles
2.Emanations
3.Priestesses of the Mist
4. Conottin' (as in Connoting?)


Outstanding!

DeJohnette is the man.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Mon Aug 11, 2008 03:17:24

FTN wrote:Listening to this...

Jack De Johnette's Oneness 4tet
Montreal Jazz Festival
June-xx- 1997


Trade cd>burned>Db poweramp> (flac) level 6

Samples

This is from my own trade Cd.

However, I'm pretty sure that this has been seeded before.
The trader I got this from is a dime member, so this is likely the
same as any previous dime seed. (received originally data DVD).


Jack DeJohnette - Drums
Michael Cain-keys
Jerome Harris-gtr
Jauheem Lartee-perc.

1. Miles
2.Emanations
3.Priestesses of the Mist
4. Conottin' (as in Connoting?)


Outstanding!

DeJohnette is the man.


Have you heard the record where he plays piano not drums? It's not bad! He's a monster drummer though....

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Postby FTN » Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:28:31

Are you referring to the 1985 album called Piano Album? I have that, its good. He's played piano on a few songs on various other albums I believe. I'm a huge DeJohnette fan, probably my second favorite jazz drummer ever behind Tony Williams, though by saying that, I'm downgrading Elvin Jones, which just seems wrong to me. Ah whatever, who cares.

Also need to pay my respects to Dave Holland in this thread. I've been listening to a ton of his stuff over the last month or so.

Extended Play
Conference of the Birds
What Goes Around
Points of View
Jumpin' In
Seeds of Time

all essential records. Not to mention his legendary work with Miles. Everything Holland touches turns to gold.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:31:57

FTN wrote:Are you referring to the 1985 album called Piano Album? I have that, its good. He's played piano on a few songs on various other albums I believe. I'm a huge DeJohnette fan, probably my second favorite jazz drummer ever behind Tony Williams, though by saying that, I'm downgrading Elvin Jones, which just seems wrong to me. Ah whatever, who cares.

Also need to pay my respects to Dave Holland in this thread. I've been listening to a ton of his stuff over the last month or so.

Extended Play
Conference of the Birds
What Goes Around
Points of View
Jumpin' In
Seeds of Time

all essential records. Not to mention his legendary work with Miles. Everything Holland touches turns to gold.


I'm highly impressed with these statements and references. Tony Williams, Elvin and Jack pretty much are the bad-a's -- there are of course many amazing drummers and they all have different sounds and abilities... Blackwell, Philly Joe, Max, Art -- more avante garde guys like Andrew Cyrille

I'm also a huge Holland appreciator and own several of the records above inlcuindg Jumpin In , Seeds of Time Points of View...

nice

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Postby FTN » Mon Aug 11, 2008 13:13:37

Sure, tons of other guys. Buddy Rich, Cobham, Blakey, Roach, Dannie Richmond, Lenny White, Jimmy Cobb, etc etc etc, and then the newer guys like Joey Baron, Kenny Wollesen and Brian Blade. Blade is freakin incredible, if you've never heard his work.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Mon Aug 11, 2008 16:00:27

FTN wrote:Sure, tons of other guys. Buddy Rich, Cobham, Blakey, Roach, Dannie Richmond, Lenny White, Jimmy Cobb, etc etc etc, and then the newer guys like Joey Baron, Kenny Wollesen and Brian Blade. Blade is freakin incredible, if you've never heard his work.


Yeah, I've seen Blade.

There's a guy, if you don't know him you should check out named Gerry Hemingway. I don't know what he's up to these days, but I once was hanging out with him in a small seminar in grad school, he did this amazing thing where he played 3 aginst 4 aginst 6 against 10 with his 4 limbs. It was pyscho! He kept a 3 pattern a 4 pattern a 6 pattern and 10 pattern in each limb...

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Postby FTN » Tue Aug 19, 2008 00:21:15

i hate that paul desmond chain smoked and killed himself at such a young age, his sound was incredible

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwNrmYRiX_o[/youtube]

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Postby drsmooth » Tue Aug 19, 2008 08:01:41

Philly the Kid wrote:
FTN wrote:Sure, tons of other guys. Buddy Rich, Cobham, Blakey, Roach, Dannie Richmond, Lenny White, Jimmy Cobb, etc etc etc, and then the newer guys like Joey Baron, Kenny Wollesen and Brian Blade. Blade is freakin incredible, if you've never heard his work.


Yeah, I've seen Blade.

There's a guy, if you don't know him you should check out named Gerry Hemingway.


Sameer Gupta

I'm not crazy about any of the online tracks there. He's quite something live.
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Postby FTN » Fri Oct 17, 2008 13:52:21

1956 JATP All Stars
Hamburg
1956-02-29

FM

Dizzy Gillespie, Roy Eldridge (tp),
Flip Philips, Illinois Jacquet (ts),
Oscar Peterson (p),
Herb Ellis (g),
Ray Brown (b),
Gene Krupa (dr).

"Planten und Blomen/ Festhalle", Hamburg, February 29, 1956.

[CD 1, tracks 1-3: FM>Cass.; all other tracks FM>MD]

CD 1

01. JATP Blues
02. My Man
03. It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)
04. Honeysuckle Rose
05. My Man (alternate version)
06. It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)
(alternate version)
07. Ballad Medley:
- These Foolish Things (Flip Philips)
- Ghost Of A Chance (Illinois Jacquet)
- Rockin' Chair (Roy Eldridge)
- Lullabye Of The Leaves (Dizzy Gillespie)

CD 2

01. Drum Boogie

Oscar Peterson (p), Herb Ellis (g), Ray Brown (b):

02. Indiana
03. Easy Does It
04. Airmail Special
05. Elevation
06. How High The Moon
07. Seven Come Eleven incomplete

Ella Fitzgerald (voc), Don Abney (p), Herb Ellis (g), Ray Brown (b), Gene Krupa (dr):

06. This Can't Be Love
07. It Might As Well Be Spring
08. Hard Hearted Hannah
09. I Love Paris
10. Lover Come Back To Me
11. Lullabye Of Birdland
12. I Can't Give You Anything But Love
13. I Want You To Be My Baby
14. Lady Be Good


Incredible for a 52 year old recording, one of the best sounding non-officially released live shows I've heard in a long long time.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Oct 18, 2008 13:55:37

FTN wrote:
1956 JATP All Stars
Hamburg
1956-02-29

FM

Dizzy Gillespie, Roy Eldridge (tp),
Flip Philips, Illinois Jacquet (ts),
Oscar Peterson (p),
Herb Ellis (g),
Ray Brown (b),
Gene Krupa (dr).

"Planten und Blomen/ Festhalle", Hamburg, February 29, 1956.

[CD 1, tracks 1-3: FM>Cass.; all other tracks FM>MD]

CD 1

01. JATP Blues
02. My Man
03. It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)
04. Honeysuckle Rose
05. My Man (alternate version)
06. It Don't Mean A Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)
(alternate version)
07. Ballad Medley:
- These Foolish Things (Flip Philips)
- Ghost Of A Chance (Illinois Jacquet)
- Rockin' Chair (Roy Eldridge)
- Lullabye Of The Leaves (Dizzy Gillespie)

CD 2

01. Drum Boogie

Oscar Peterson (p), Herb Ellis (g), Ray Brown (b):

02. Indiana
03. Easy Does It
04. Airmail Special
05. Elevation
06. How High The Moon
07. Seven Come Eleven incomplete

Ella Fitzgerald (voc), Don Abney (p), Herb Ellis (g), Ray Brown (b), Gene Krupa (dr):

06. This Can't Be Love
07. It Might As Well Be Spring
08. Hard Hearted Hannah
09. I Love Paris
10. Lover Come Back To Me
11. Lullabye Of Birdland
12. I Can't Give You Anything But Love
13. I Want You To Be My Baby
14. Lady Be Good


Incredible for a 52 year old recording, one of the best sounding non-officially released live shows I've heard in a long long time.



Sounds like a nice record.

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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Oct 18, 2008 13:58:46

Anyone have any jazz records made in the last 2 year they would hype?

I haven't heard much new that blows me away. There's some nice non-traditional jazz stuff here and there...

As for 1956 time period, I'm really in to Clifford Brown on Emarcy ...

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Oct 18, 2008 14:02:30

Philly the Kid wrote:Anyone have any jazz records made in the last 2 year they would hype?

I haven't heard much new that blows me away. There's some nice non-traditional jazz stuff here and there...

As for 1956 time period, I'm really in to Clifford Brown on Emarcy ...


I've already mentioned it--William Parker Cornmeal Dance--Raining on the Moon.

And, as far as Clifford Brown goes, I'm increasingly of the opinion that as a trumpeter, better than Miles. (Obviously, there's no comparison in terms of impact and all that.)
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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Oct 18, 2008 14:40:55

TenuredVulture wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Anyone have any jazz records made in the last 2 year they would hype?

I haven't heard much new that blows me away. There's some nice non-traditional jazz stuff here and there...

As for 1956 time period, I'm really in to Clifford Brown on Emarcy ...


I've already mentioned it--William Parker Cornmeal Dance--Raining on the Moon.

And, as far as Clifford Brown goes, I'm increasingly of the opinion that as a trumpeter, better than Miles. (Obviously, there's no comparison in terms of impact and all that.)


Miles is not even in the top 3 trumpeters of all time in terms of his overall Trumpet skills. Miles is important for other reasons. He was a fine trumpet player but he invented a sound, an approach that influenced all that came after. The bands he spearheaded were big innovators of the art-form, the composition and approaches. The stuff he did in the late 50's with Coltrane Adderly evans, and then the stuff in the early to mid 60's with Shorter, Tony, Ron and Herbie -- are MAJOR contributions.

For pure bop trumpet and modern trumpet -- after Dizzy took it from the big band to the combo - Clifford is the guy, his tone is big phat and round and his be-bop chops were something else. Lee Morgan is in that vein as well.

Miles is Miles. A very very important force in jazz and had a nice sound, Thelonious Monk had a sound too and was very important, no one puts him in their top 3 of pianists. the analogy isn't quite tehre -- but you get the idea...

I don't need to compare. Clifford was special, Miles monumental to the art-form.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Oct 18, 2008 14:43:44

Philly the Kid wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Anyone have any jazz records made in the last 2 year they would hype?

I haven't heard much new that blows me away. There's some nice non-traditional jazz stuff here and there...

As for 1956 time period, I'm really in to Clifford Brown on Emarcy ...


I've already mentioned it--William Parker Cornmeal Dance--Raining on the Moon.

And, as far as Clifford Brown goes, I'm increasingly of the opinion that as a trumpeter, better than Miles. (Obviously, there's no comparison in terms of impact and all that.)


Miles is not even in the top 3 trumpeters of all time in terms of his overall Trumpet skills. Miles is important for other reasons. He was a fine trumpet player but he invented a sound, an approach that influenced all that came after. The bands he spearheaded were big innovators of the art-form, the composition and approaches. The stuff he did in the late 50's with Coltrane Adderly evans, and then the stuff in the early to mid 60's with Shorter, Tony, Ron and Herbie -- are MAJOR contributions.

For pure bop trumpet and modern trumpet -- after Dizzy took it from the big band to the combo - Clifford is the guy, his tone is big phat and round and his be-bop chops were something else. Lee Morgan is in that vein as well.

Miles is Miles. A very very important force in jazz and had a nice sound, Thelonious Monk had a sound too and was very important, no one puts him in their top 3 of pianists. the analogy isn't quite tehre -- but you get the idea...

I don't need to compare. Clifford was special, Miles monumental to the art-form.


Exactly. I was referring to playing, not any of the other stuff.
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Postby drsmooth » Sat Oct 18, 2008 14:55:18

Philly the Kid wrote:Anyone have any jazz records made in the last 2 year they would hype?

I haven't heard much new that blows me away. There's some nice non-traditional jazz stuff here and there...

As for 1956 time period, I'm really in to Clifford Brown on Emarcy ...


No p'tic'lar order:

2 by clarinetist Evan Christopher - while his recordings are superb, I highly recommend hearing him perform live. Play these through a decent system to capture his tone & dynamics:

2008
Image
D'Jango a la Creole

2007
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Delta Bound

Maria Schneider
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Sky Blue
(pianist Frank Kimbrough & reeds guy Scott Robinson worth finding in other ensembles)

This by Marc Cary is just out of your time range - 2006 - & not way up there for me, but percussionist Sameer Gupta is something
Image
Focus

But am I listening to any of these right now? Heck no - Horace Parlan, Johnny Hodges, & per your Brownie reference, A Night at Birdland Vol.1
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Postby Philly the Kid » Sat Oct 18, 2008 17:51:17

drsmooth wrote:
Philly the Kid wrote:Anyone have any jazz records made in the last 2 year they would hype?

I haven't heard much new that blows me away. There's some nice non-traditional jazz stuff here and there...

As for 1956 time period, I'm really in to Clifford Brown on Emarcy ...


No p'tic'lar order:

2 by clarinetist Evan Christopher - while his recordings are superb, I highly recommend hearing him perform live. Play these through a decent system to capture his tone & dynamics:

2008
Image
D'Jango a la Creole

2007
Image
Delta Bound

Maria Schneider
Image
Sky Blue
(pianist Frank Kimbrough & reeds guy Scott Robinson worth finding in other ensembles)

This by Marc Cary is just out of your time range - 2006 - & not way up there for me, but percussionist Sameer Gupta is something
Image
Focus

But am I listening to any of these right now? Heck no - Horace Parlan, Johnny Hodges, & per your Brownie reference, A Night at Birdland Vol.1


Cool, thanks, I'll look in to them.

There's a great record from around 53 with the original version of "the Eternal Triangle" Stitt Rollins and Gillespie ... I got it on a double-LP re-issue on Verve in the 70's...

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