momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Yup.

And what happens if they steal the election? There will be nothing anyone can do because Trump controls the levers. There will be no investigation or there will be one, but with another plant like Mueller.

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I think you missed the point.

TenuredVulture wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I mean, OK, but the question really is what do the Russians want with that info?

Thank you. Geez.

I will pay someone $1000 to leak his tax returns.

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I think you missed the point.

What exactly do you think they would do with someone's name, address, phone number, DOB, gender and past election turnout history that would be useful in the context of influencing an election? Michigan doesn't have party registration. It's not a VRA Section 5 state so it does not have race. There is almost nothing of value that would be used for targeting beyond what you can get in a phone book.

The straightforward explanation for hackers getting people's PII is to try to facilitate identity theft or something along those lines. If it is the start of some election stealing plot, they have a long way to go.

Uncle Milty wrote:Guess I defeat the purpose of spam filtering on text messages when I read them but I just received this one:

Hi, this is Sara from Trump HQ. Have you seen the riots in Portland? Are they alarming to you as well? Reply yes or no to share you concerns!

You should reply and pretend to be an undecided voter. Just keep them engaged for as long as possible and waste their time. Ask some questions that will make her regret working that job (for example, “I heard the president say that they were looking into injecting disinfectant to kill the coronavirus. Has there been progress on that?”)

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I think you missed the point.

What exactly do you think they would do with someone's name, address, phone number, DOB, gender and past election turnout history that would be useful in the context of influencing an election? Michigan doesn't have party registration. It's not a VRA Section 5 state so it does not have race. There is almost nothing of value that would be used for targeting beyond what you can get in a phone book.

The straightforward explanation for hackers getting people's PII is to try to facilitate identity theft or something along those lines. If it is the start of some election stealing plot, they have a long way to go.

I don't know, I'm not russian intelligence. I don't have the skills necessary to pull anything off and neither do you. Maybe you can answer why they would have that information. To send Christmas cards? I mean, they must have it for some reason. Isn't it possible there's something you haven't thought of despite your seeming omniscience? Holy ego.

I think a better question is why would a russian reporter, who is unlikely to go against Putin (unless they love the tingly sensation of nerve agents), tell the world a russian hacker had voter data on his computer? I think that's a fair question since Putin owns the press. If it was an actual russian reporter from an actual russian news agency, I might consider that it's a red herring.

Both the russians and the chinese would have a lot to gain from a Trump win. It could be obfuscation.

Monkeyboy wrote:I will pay someone $1000 to leak his tax returns.

Will you pay their bail if they accept?

Gimpy wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:Guess I defeat the purpose of spam filtering on text messages when I read them but I just received this one:

Hi, this is Sara from Trump HQ. Have you seen the riots in Portland? Are they alarming to you as well? Reply yes or no to share you concerns!

You should reply and pretend to be an undecided voter. Just keep them engaged for as long as possible and waste their time. Ask some questions that will make her regret working that job (for example, “I heard the president say that they were looking into injecting disinfectant to kill the coronavirus. Has there been progress on that?”)

I actually do this. I do the same with scams if I have the time.

Wolfgang622 wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I will pay someone $1000 to leak his tax returns.

Will you pay their bail if they accept?

No, but enough of us would chip in. And I bet some lawyers would work pro bono on that one.

I'm not an ends justify the means guy, but this seems like one of those times.

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I think you missed the point.

What exactly do you think they would do with someone's name, address, phone number, DOB, gender and past election turnout history that would be useful in the context of influencing an election? Michigan doesn't have party registration. It's not a VRA Section 5 state so it does not have race. There is almost nothing of value that would be used for targeting beyond what you can get in a phone book.

The straightforward explanation for hackers getting people's PII is to try to facilitate identity theft or something along those lines. If it is the start of some election stealing plot, they have a long way to go.

I don't know, I'm not russian intelligence. I don't have the skills necessary to pull anything off and neither do you. Maybe you can answer why they would have that information. To send Christmas cards? I mean, they must have it for some reason. Isn't it possible there's something you haven't thought of despite your seeming omniscience? Holy ego.

I think a better question is why would a russian reporter, who is unlikely to go against Putin (unless they love the tingly sensation of nerve agents), tell the world a russian hacker had voter data on his computer? I think that's a fair question since Putin owns the press. If it was an actual russian reporter from an actual russian news agency, I might consider that it's a red herring.

Both the russians and the chinese would have a lot to gain from a Trump win. It could be obfuscation.

Literally anyone with (depending on the state) a credit card or the ability to fill out a FOIA request or the ability to click download on a link or whatever has the skills necessary to pull off this great caper.

I think it would be different if they said Russian intelligence had the data, though still not super interesting. But they didn't. I don't know how many people here have interacted with voter registration data from states. It is useful for some things. Important for campaign polling, doing door knocking or canvassing. But the level of information isn't going to get you doing anything particularly sophisticated or interesting without adding to it yourself.

Each party has a company/organization (or in the Dems case I think more than one) that maintains a variety of kind of neat things about people beyond what's on the publicly available voter file. I can download sample for every registered voter in the country that has vote propensity scoring based on past turnout and whatever other factors the nerds over at Data Trust have come up with. And your likelihood to vote for Trump or Biden. And one's likelihood to favor increased gun control or abortion rights or consider the Supreme Court a major issue. None of it is terribly accurate, based off inputs like party reg, basic demos, whatever info they can buy about you, etc. But it's a lot more interesting than the public stuff, and can be used as a building block in more targeted messaging efforts. The baseline stuff is more or less contact information.

soup. all of the soup. hurts more than a brick.

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ReadingPhilly wrote:soup. all of the soup. hurts more than a brick.

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You can’t throw bricks, they’re too heavy.

Bill McNeal wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:soup. all of the soup. hurts more than a brick.

https://twitter.com/politidope/status/1 ... 46593?s=21

You can’t throw bricks, they’re too heavy.

Well when you have those tiny hands...

vOtE fOr mE

Things looking good for the incumbents in Massachusetts

Alex Morse is not even winning the town he is Mayor of. Neal seems like he will win pretty comfortably.

is email soliciting effective anymore? back in 2016 i would carefully consider the solicitations i received. now i get like 12 an hour. think the guy running for dogcatcher in albuquerque hit me up for funds.

Bucky wrote:is email soliciting effective anymore? back in 2016 i would carefully consider the solicitations i received. now i get like 12 an hour. think the guy running for dogcatcher in albuquerque hit me up for funds.

With the promotion tab on Gmail I dont even see them

Maybe Warren gets a cabinet position and Kennedy takes her spot?

Not sure what he does if that doesn't happen.