I'm not familiar with a lot of the more far-flung areas of Philly, but how feasible is it for people to get to the stadiums from where they live? I know the idea behind the stadiums being where they are is that they are easy to get to by car and mass transit, but I'm guessing that's not the case for every resident of Philly.

yeah. this is not an either or though. this is an in addition to.

TenuredVulture wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I mean, OK, but the question really is what do the Russians want with that info?

Personal information has a lot more relevant uses to hackers than anything related to elections. It's almost useless in an electoral context. Getting someone's address and phone number isn't really gonna move the needle.

If they got into Data Trust or whatever the Dem equivalent of that is and started using modeling data to target voters or something, that would interesting/bad.

If they got into state registration rolls and started trying to manipulate them, that would be really bad.

Getting to the stadiums for anyone that doesn't drive is at least 15 maybe more (from door to door that is). WFC is just so impractical. Is the thought that anyone who had a polling location closed in philadelphia would somehow find the time to make an absolute trek to WFC and then spend another 20m there. We all know that people who want to vote will find a way to vote(mail in and otherwise). People who don't vote often or care to vote aren't going to go out of their way to WFC and vote. Like is someone from NE Philly or N Philly or West Philly going to hop several trains?

edit: it solves nothing for voting disenfranchisement(covid or otherwise). if a person has time to early vote and spend 4 hours hopping trains and getting back home, then there almost assuredly going to have the time to vote on election day or by mail. the overlap of people who would go to WFC and those who would vote regardless has to be almost immeasurably high.

Like Housh said, anything helps, but it's such a shitty solution and I'd argue worse than doing nothing(if it means removing local voting places).

CalvinBall wrote:wait, is that really where that comment originated? wow.

It appears so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... k-n1238962

CalvinBall wrote:Trump is denying that he had mini strokes last Fall. However, I am not entirely sure that it was ever reported that it was mini strokes?

IOW, he just confirmed that he suffered mini strokes last fall.

jamiethekiller wrote:Getting to the stadiums for anyone that doesn't drive is at least 15 maybe more (from door to door that is). WFC is just so impractical. Is the thought that anyone who had a polling location closed in philadelphia would somehow find the time to make an absolute trek to WFC and then spend another 20m there. We all know that people who want to vote will find a way to vote(mail in and otherwise). People who don't vote often or care to vote aren't going to go out of their way to WFC and vote. Like is someone from NE Philly or N Philly or West Philly going to hop several trains?

edit: it solves nothing for voting disenfranchisement(covid or otherwise). if a person has time to early vote and spend 4 hours hopping trains and getting back home, then there almost assuredly going to have the time to vote on election day or by mail. the overlap of people who would go to WFC and those who would vote regardless has to be almost immeasurably high.

Like Housh said, anything helps, but it's such a shitty solution and I'd argue worse than doing nothing(if it means removing local voting places).

election day is on a weekday.

and where are you reading polling places are going to close and this will be the option that replaces that?

just seems like a lot of hand wringing for something that has very few details yet.

CalvinBall wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:Getting to the stadiums for anyone that doesn't drive is at least 15 maybe more (from door to door that is). WFC is just so impractical. Is the thought that anyone who had a polling location closed in philadelphia would somehow find the time to make an absolute trek to WFC and then spend another 20m there. We all know that people who want to vote will find a way to vote(mail in and otherwise). People who don't vote often or care to vote aren't going to go out of their way to WFC and vote. Like is someone from NE Philly or N Philly or West Philly going to hop several trains?

edit: it solves nothing for voting disenfranchisement(covid or otherwise). if a person has time to early vote and spend 4 hours hopping trains and getting back home, then there almost assuredly going to have the time to vote on election day or by mail. the overlap of people who would go to WFC and those who would vote regardless has to be almost immeasurably high.

Like Housh said, anything helps, but it's such a shitty solution and I'd argue worse than doing nothing(if it means removing local voting places).

election day is on a weekday.

and where are you reading polling places are going to close and this will be the option that replaces that?

just seems like a lot of hand wringing for something that has very few details yet.

someone in this thread said that polling places are closing down, as the discussion is based around WFC being a site for voting.

its an empty gesture and its quite obvious that it was. if they or the city wanted to increase voting and all you needed was a kiosk, then go into the neighborhoods where turnout is low and setup at the corner stores or grocery stores(if they're even present). Weekday problems don't stop existing on the weekend for most people, especially for people who have family responsiblities or other job responsiblities. Feel like the only people who view as some massive win are coming from a lens of white collar priviledge. There's gotta be 10 other ways to increase or have stable voter turnout than opening up a stadium thats inaccessible to 90% of the city. use planning resources on that instead.

None of which are mutually exclusive.

10 percent of 1.5 million is still a lot of people

and again, how do you know other ideas are not being discussed? we have a what, two paragraph press release? and if it is a site where you can "early vote" that will be one more than the zero others i currently am aware of.

TenuredVulture wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I mean, OK, but the question really is what do the Russians want with that info?

Social media marketing, of course.

@kyledcheney
BREAKING: The appeals court has granted a stay, delaying Manhattan prosecutors’ effort to get Trump’s financial documents

We will never see them

What are people thinking would be in them? I have no doubt he's done/doing a ton of illegal shit but would assume he's crafty enough to not document it?

Andy Kim asking smart questions to Mnuchin in his testimony. Dem from NJ hadn’t heard of him but sounded smart and prepared with data re: unequal recovery

Mnuchin is very smart and slippery though

TenuredVulture wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

momadance wrote:@juliaioffe
Russian journalists have discovered data from Michigan voter data rolls—including the personal info of 7.6 million Michigan voters—on a Russian hackers’ platform. It also includes voter info from other swing states, including Florida and NC

Top notch hacking to get...publicly available information

I mean, OK, but the question really is what do the Russians want with that info?

that's a lot of extended car warranty revenue

At a high level, it could be anything from showing he doesn’t make as much as he makes it out to seem, to he doesn’t pay any taxes, or donate money to charity, or he is getting paid a lot of money from Russia or something like that. They can also find fraud in them, but that’s more complicated check this out. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/10/busi ... turns.html

Guess I defeat the purpose of spam filtering on text messages when I read them but I just received this one:

Hi, this is Sara from Trump HQ. Have you seen the riots in Portland? Are they alarming to you as well? Reply yes or no to share you concerns!

joe table wrote:Andy Kim asking smart questions to Mnuchin in his testimony. Dem from NJ hadn’t heard of him but sounded smart and prepared with data re: unequal recovery

Mnuchin is very smart and slippery though

Kim covers the Burlington/Ocean county district. First term rep who I’m hoping wins again this year.

slugsrbad wrote:

jamiethekiller wrote:the fuck is having a giant stadium for voting going to do for people voting. the logistics make it even more awful.

The more places the vote, the less likely there will be lines of 6 hours. If the places are staffed well it will make a huge difference, but the logistics could make it a CF.

I think it's also supposed to help with social distancing because there's so much space available.

I could see this being turned against people. Some states will sabotage it and then people will show up and their names won't be on the list or whatever and they won't have time to go find their polling places. And these people will almost all be Dem voters. So far, the GOP has been attacking the bottlenecks where most of the voters will be dem and they'll do the same thing with this.

Bottom line, people have to be prepared to wait ALL day, possibly have to change locations, and endure a bunch of crap. Will not be surprised if the GOP has planes in the air seeding the clouds to help it rain.