Monkeyboy wrote:Republicans don't believe we can govern ourselves. Only businessmen can be trusted to run the important stuff.

CalvinBall wrote:Trump and company trying really hard to create a narrative that the race is tight and that Biden is effectively in the streets leading violent riots.

The first part is not true despite some talking heads taking the bait on it. There are not really any polls that show a swing towards Trump in any meaningful way. There just have not been any substantial polls really for 2 weeks.

That is tied into the fact that they think violent unrest is somehow helpful to their campaign. Again, no evidence for that. Could very well not be helpful.

Media needs to do a better job parsing those lies and assumptions out.

jerseyhoya wrote:

joe table wrote:lots of words, some of which I'm too dumb to understand

TLDR our capital and corporate interests can afford the higher taxes and we should #$!&@ pay for people’s health care and stop embarrassing ourselves

I'm not as opposed to single payer or some other nationalized healthcare as I think most Republicans are, but it would very much not be my preferred solution to our current (not great!) situation on healthcare. I think moving to a nationalized system would be bad in both the short and long term, but we might enjoy some medium term benefits. My sense is there would be a tremendous amount of upheaval in delivery of care as the system updated to the new set up. In the medium term we'd experience broader coverage and less complicated access, while taking advantage of the muscle memory of everything that existed in the before times. In the long term I worry a lot about innovations in care and attracting the highest level of people like we are now into the industry.

All of this said, I agree the current set up is really quite bad and am not convinced single payer isn't preferable to it. In order for markets to work, you need to have prices that dictate behavior/decision making. As a consumer in the healthcare market, with my employer paying for my heath insurance, I have zero incentive to make any decisions around price. And beyond that, I don't even know what the cost of anything is. I think the better course of action would be to make healthcare more open to market forces to try to stem the obscene upward pressure on costs, while government maintains a role ensuring a safety net for the most vulnerable.

There are a lot of things I think I know a lot about. Healthcare policy is not one of them. There are a lot of political issues I have unshakable opinions on. Healthcare policy is not one of them. But I'm not super excited to try to move to Medicare for All or anything like that. I think we have a lot of structural things set up here where that transition will be painful/bad, and there will be seriously negative long term impacts too.

CalvinBall wrote:Trump and company trying really hard to create a narrative that the race is tight and that Biden is effectively in the streets leading violent riots.

The first part is not true despite some talking heads taking the bait on it. There are not really any polls that show a swing towards Trump in any meaningful way. There just have not been any substantial polls really for 2 weeks.

That is tied into the fact that they think violent unrest is somehow helpful to their campaign. Again, no evidence for that. Could very well not be helpful.

Media needs to do a better job parsing those lies and assumptions out.

Werthless wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Trump and company trying really hard to create a narrative that the race is tight and that Biden is effectively in the streets leading violent riots.

The first part is not true despite some talking heads taking the bait on it. There are not really any polls that show a swing towards Trump in any meaningful way. There just have not been any substantial polls really for 2 weeks.

That is tied into the fact that they think violent unrest is somehow helpful to their campaign. Again, no evidence for that. Could very well not be helpful.

Media needs to do a better job parsing those lies and assumptions out.

I think a tight race narrative helps Biden.

Werthless wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Trump and company trying really hard to create a narrative that the race is tight and that Biden is effectively in the streets leading violent riots.

The first part is not true despite some talking heads taking the bait on it. There are not really any polls that show a swing towards Trump in any meaningful way. There just have not been any substantial polls really for 2 weeks.

That is tied into the fact that they think violent unrest is somehow helpful to their campaign. Again, no evidence for that. Could very well not be helpful.

Media needs to do a better job parsing those lies and assumptions out.

I think a tight race narrative helps Biden.

CalvinBall wrote:

Werthless wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Trump and company trying really hard to create a narrative that the race is tight and that Biden is effectively in the streets leading violent riots.

The first part is not true despite some talking heads taking the bait on it. There are not really any polls that show a swing towards Trump in any meaningful way. There just have not been any substantial polls really for 2 weeks.

That is tied into the fact that they think violent unrest is somehow helpful to their campaign. Again, no evidence for that. Could very well not be helpful.

Media needs to do a better job parsing those lies and assumptions out.

I think a tight race narrative helps Biden.

Motivates people more you think?

I could buy that.

Uncle Milty wrote:Are those numbers typos?

Werthless wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

Werthless wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Trump and company trying really hard to create a narrative that the race is tight and that Biden is effectively in the streets leading violent riots.

The first part is not true despite some talking heads taking the bait on it. There are not really any polls that show a swing towards Trump in any meaningful way. There just have not been any substantial polls really for 2 weeks.

That is tied into the fact that they think violent unrest is somehow helpful to their campaign. Again, no evidence for that. Could very well not be helpful.

Media needs to do a better job parsing those lies and assumptions out.

I think a tight race narrative helps Biden.

Motivates people more you think?

I could buy that.

Might change the votes of people like jerseyhoya who live in battleground states. Might cause them to switch from libertarian to Repub.