azrider wrote:protests, bad for trump. riots, bad for biden.

Out of curiosity why are riots bad for Biden?

heyeaglefn wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:Have posted this a few times here but in 2016 there was a very real dismissal of the very fact that Donald Trump could become the President of the United States. His entire candidacy felt like a "ha, this is funny, but there's no way..." until, well, it happened.

I think this caused enough of people to either stay home - "eh Hillary's going to win, Trump can't be President" - or leave the Presidential vote blank when voting - "I hate them both" - which was basically a vote for Trump.

Now it's "Donald Trump is President unless you vote him out" - I think this urgency will light a fire under, well, everyone but his own base.

I hope so, but I thought there would be an urgency for people to get out and vote for Bernie or Warren over someone like Biden, and that didn't happen. Hopefully the Democrats that don't love Biden will still hate Trump enough to come out and vote, but I have my doubts.

IMO it still comes down to "do you want Donald Trump to remain President, or do you not?"

That question will define what this country is about in 2020. Who the Dem candidate is, any other issues, etc. are all secondary.

If some Dems dislike Biden enough to effectively cast a vote for Trump, are they even Dems at that point, or just some radical left party?

Uncle Milty wrote:

Bucky wrote:

The Savior wrote:
Perhaps Bernie just isn’t liked across the totality of the party? Like me?

don't be silly. i'm sure someone here likes you

We all need our Savior...now more than ever.

I got owned

Augustus wrote:Do people not remember 2016? Hillary was supposed to be putting Texas, Georgia, and Arizona in play.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary, but he's still underwater in favorable/unfavorable. Trump is more popular now then he was then. The shy Trump effect in polling is probably even bigger this time, because there's a lot of white people who claim they would have voted for Biden in 2016 but actually love Trump.

Not saying I think he's guaranteed a win, but he's got to be the favorite right now.

2016 might as well be 100 years ago

The Savior wrote:

Augustus wrote:Do people not remember 2016? Hillary was supposed to be putting Texas, Georgia, and Arizona in play.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary, but he's still underwater in favorable/unfavorable. Trump is more popular now then he was then. The shy Trump effect in polling is probably even bigger this time, because there's a lot of white people who claim they would have voted for Biden in 2016 but actually love Trump.

Not saying I think he's guaranteed a win, but he's got to be the favorite right now.

2016 might as well be 100 years ago

It feels like it is lately.

march was 100 years ago so

Oh my god you guys:

Protestors Criticized for Looting Businesses Without Forming a Private Equity Firm First

“I understand that people are angry, but they shouldn’t just endanger businesses without even a thought to enriching themselves through leveraged buyouts and across-the-board terminations. It’s disgusting to put workers at risk by looting. You do it by chipping away at their health benefits and eventually laying them off. There’s a right way and wrong way to do this.”

The Onion has achieved peak Onion

Trump is trying to start a race war. Come November, he'll have his gang policing polling places under the guise of protecting the vote. There will be massive intimidation.

Barr chillingly pointed out the other day that the winners write the history. The leader of our justice system isn't interested in truth.

Trump is referring to MAGA as if it's an organization before he gets on the helicopter. He said MAGA loves black people. he said he heard that MAGA was going to be there but he has no idea if it was. What the f*** is he talking about

of course this apparently turns out to be about some tweet he made. And how he almost won Minnesota in 2016. But what the f*** does that have to do with George Floyd?

He went on to talk about deploying troops to Minneapolis in a deployment situation. Deploying troops against citizens. We should have learned this lesson a long time ago. Awesome means of de-escalation.

FFS the administrator of NASA is honking Trump's horn. Half truths as expected with unbridled praise of Don.

thephan wrote:FFS the administrator of NASA is honking Trump's horn. Half truths as expected with unbridled praise of Don.

Turned it off when that started. It was over anyway.

Augustus wrote:Do people not remember 2016? Hillary was supposed to be putting Texas, Georgia, and Arizona in play.

Biden is not as unpopular as Hillary, but he's still underwater in favorable/unfavorable. Trump is more popular now then he was then. The shy Trump effect in polling is probably even bigger this time, because there's a lot of white people who claim they would have voted for Biden in 2016 but actually love Trump.

Not saying I think he's guaranteed a win, but he's got to be the favorite right now.

This is ridiculous analysis that ignores, among other things, 2018, the fact Arizona has moved left as reflected in the truth that Kelly is going to smoke McSally and will have two D senators, that Trump is also more unpopular than he was in 2016, that Texas and Georgia are completely irrelevant from an Electoral Vote perspective, that Trump has zero chance of turning any blue state in 2016 red in 2020 (remember Virginia lol), that this requires Trump to pull off another miracle where he has no path but to take Florida and Michigan or Pennsylvania (I say he is a prohibitive underdog in both) or Florida and both Arizona and Wisconsin. There's no other way he gets re-elected. I say he's a 2 to 1 dog.

Even before COVID, Trump's disapproval ratings were up 13 in Michigan and 15 in Arizona since the election. COngrats to kicking ass in Alabama

consistent with this poll; i looked at Morning COnsult

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... -on-voters

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thephan wrote:FFS the administrator of NASA is honking Trump's horn. Half truths as expected with unbridled praise of Don.

Turned it off when that started. It was over anyway.

ha, exactly the same here

06hawkalum wrote:

pacino wrote:it's going to be a very tight election

and if Trump loses, will he actually transfer power?

Oh course he will transfer power. He will want that pardon. Also, it is out of his hands. Biden will be inaugerated whether Trump acquieses or not. If necessary, the Secret Service will escort the Trump family out of the White House.

I wouldn't be shocked, considering they are white trash, if they leave the WH in shambles and that Biden will need to spend a few weeks residing at Number One Circle Observatory while staff fixes the place up.

You think the incoming president will offer a pardon to ensure that he leaves? Pardons won’t work for non-federal indictments right? He will challenge the election results no matter what. He will do whatever he can to overturn the results before Inauguration Day. He has the justice dept in his pocket, he will bully the republican state govts to throw out election results and he had a conservative SCOTUS. It could all come down to Roberts. In any event it will not be a peaceful transition of power. He will trash everything, share no info and incite violence.

Warszawa wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:

pacino wrote:it's going to be a very tight election

and if Trump loses, will he actually transfer power?

Oh course he will transfer power. He will want that pardon. Also, it is out of his hands. Biden will be inaugerated whether Trump acquieses or not. If necessary, the Secret Service will escort the Trump family out of the White House.

I wouldn't be shocked, considering they are white trash, if they leave the WH in shambles and that Biden will need to spend a few weeks residing at Number One Circle Observatory while staff fixes the place up.

You think the incoming president will offer a pardon to ensure that he leaves? Pardons won’t work for non-federal indictments right? He will challenge the election results no matter what. He will do whatever he can to overturn the results before Inauguration Day. He has the justice dept in his pocket, he will bully the republican state govts to throw out election results and he had a conservative SCOTUS. It could all come down to Roberts. In any event it will not be a peaceful transition of power. He will trash everything, share no info and incite violence.

I think you are mistaken.

#1 - I think the GOP will be glad to rid themselves of Trump if he loses.

#2 - Biden can get to 270 without the aid of any states governed by Trumpies. Those states are already red.

#3 Trump is going to have to face the music eventually, whether that be in 2021 or 2025.

Hopefully I am right and you are wrong.

Does "challenge the election results" just mean Trump will say some crazy stuff on twitter? I don't think he's hard working or diligent enough to substantiate something like that.

He's for sure not helping the next president transition though.

The Trump post-presidency is going to be as annoying as the actual term. Actually worse, because it will be longer, unless he just drops dead in less than 4.