CalvinBall wrote:Sanders raised 46.5 million in Feb from 2.2. Million donations.

Biden apparently raised $5m in last 24 hours. Money flowing away from the others now.

New California CBS Poll has
Bernie: 31
Biden: 19
Warren: 18
Bloomberg: 12

Who knows really (especially with early voting) but that's from before last night. That is not a great poll for Bernie. That's a state where he needs to kick ass to a greater degree, and that may be enough delegates for Warren to stay in the race.

That said, as long as Bloomberg stays in and takes 10%+ of the vote, it's Bernie's to lose (unless Bloomberg's plan is to be Biden's kingmaker at a contested convention)

Werthless wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Online Warren supporters are so amazingly delusional. She's so great! Why is she losing? When's it's down to three she will surge!!

She is pretty great in a lot of ways. If Bernie Sanders was not in the race, she'd have a lot of support.

I think many Warren supporters, such as myself, value things like competence and an understanding how American politics works. The fact that Warren doesn't run around calling herself a socialist is a pretty big plus in my book. (In fact, though Warren and Sanders are pretty close when it comes to policy, I think Warren's theoretical foundations are much more interesting and workable--more late Rawlsian than early Che Guevera.) We think others should value those things as well. It's apparent that most voters, even Democratic ones, do not seem to value these things much, as they are gravitating towards towards two of the least competent major candidates. They, like Trump voters, appear to be choosing a candidate based on how that candidate makes them feel. (To be sure, the feelings that motivate those candidates are different.)

Is there a legitimate reason why Bernie is not in Selma today? Or is he just an asshole?

I don’t live Biden but think he’s electable in states Dems need and may actually bring some balance to Washington that would potentially help put an end to mainstream Trumpism.

The Savior wrote:I don’t live Biden but think he’s electable in states Dems need and may actually bring some balance to Washington that would potentially help put an end to mainstream Trumpism.

I don't love Biden either. But I can't take 4 more years of Trump. I just can't. This country can't. The institutions are crumbling. I will get behind whoever will beat him. In the electoral college, I think Biden has a better chance.

What would a Biden Warren ticket do for you? Like, do not want, ride or die on the Bernie Barge?

Trent Steele wrote:

The Savior wrote:I don’t live Biden but think he’s electable in states Dems need and may actually bring some balance to Washington that would potentially help put an end to mainstream Trumpism.

I don't love Biden either. But I can't take 4 more years of Trump. I just can't. This country can't. The institutions are crumbling. I will get behind whoever will beat him. In the electoral college, I think Biden has a better chance.

Exactly this. The goal should have always been "let's lift up whoever has the best shot at legitimately beating Trump." Tells you just how bad Biden has been, which is the scary part.

I actually thought Bloomberg would be lot more well-received given his war chest and experience but the actual reception has made it clear that beating Trump is secondary to...

TenuredVulture wrote:They, like Trump voters, appear to be choosing a candidate based on how that candidate makes them feel. (To be sure, the feelings that motivate those candidates are different.)

A few signs went up on the major by ways (still insanely sign free here in the old dominion since there is a primary Tuesday).

The Amy signs are a bit confusing (Plain White sign, green Amy, & For President 2020 in blue). They are so generic I though it was an attempt at some type of gorilla marketing campaign at first.

I think the most signs I've seen are Yang.

Trent Steele wrote:Is there a legitimate reason why Bernie is not in Selma today? Or is he just an asshole?

Yea, he famously opposes civil rights.

I think it's a mistake to chase the candidate who is most likely to beat Trump. Ultimately, I think the candidate that inspires the most people to get out and vote will have the best chance. I just don't think Biden is that guy. I have trouble believing Biden can win FL or AZ.

For one thing, I have a hunch there's something fishy with the FL voting system. The results from 2018 don't make much sense. One of my many conspiracy theories is that the 2018 FL election was a test for what will happen in 2020 nationwide.

TenuredVulture wrote:I think many Warren supporters, such as myself, value things like competence and an understanding how American politics works.

TenuredVulture wrote:It's apparent that most voters, even Democratic ones, do not seem to value these things much, as they are gravitating towards towards two of the least competent major candidates. They, like Trump voters, appear to be choosing a candidate based on how that candidate makes them feel. (To be sure, the feelings that motivate those candidates are different.)

Your second point perfectly distills how American politics actually works, yet in your first you say the person who truly gets it is the one who has come in third, fourth, fourth, and fifth so far.

I'm sure Warren is probably more prepared to execute the job of the presidency in a traditional way than Sanders, but she has very real liabilities-some no fault of her own, like sexism; others self-inflicted, like her terrible political instincts-that make her a likely loser against Trump.

Monkeyboy wrote:I think it's a mistake to chase the candidate who is most likely to beat Trump. Ultimately, I think the candidate that inspires the most people to get out and vote will have the best chance.

*Get out and vote for them.

My fear with Sanders is he's going to inspire a whole lot of people to make sure they vote so that he / "socialism" doesn't win, regardless of how they feel about Trump / the status quo.

Monkeyboy wrote:I just don't think Biden is that guy. I have trouble believing Biden can win FL or AZ.

I'm not sure I do either, but regardless the Dem party needs to inspire people to vote against Trump. People by nature will act to avoid pain, great opportunity to leverage that.

PSUsarge wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I think it's a mistake to chase the candidate who is most likely to beat Trump. Ultimately, I think the candidate that inspires the most people to get out and vote will have the best chance.

*Get out and vote for them.

My fear with Sanders is he's going to inspire a whole lot of people to make sure they vote so that he / "socialism" doesn't win, regardless of how they feel about Trump / the status quo.

Monkeyboy wrote:I just don't think Biden is that guy. I have trouble believing Biden can win FL or AZ.

I'm not sure I do either, but regardless the Dem party needs to inspire people to vote against Trump. People by nature will act to avoid pain, great opportunity to leverage that.

This, but more importantly, it's about getting people to vote for you in like 6 states. I will trade 1,000 new Dvotes in California, New York, and Illinois for every D one in Michigan, PA, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Florida.

Holy smokes. Bloomberg bought Network time tonight at 8:30 PM on CBS and NBC to make an address about the virus.

PSUsarge wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

The Savior wrote:I don’t live Biden but think he’s electable in states Dems need and may actually bring some balance to Washington that would potentially help put an end to mainstream Trumpism.

I don't love Biden either. But I can't take 4 more years of Trump. I just can't. This country can't. The institutions are crumbling. I will get behind whoever will beat him. In the electoral college, I think Biden has a better chance.

Exactly this. The goal should have always been "let's lift up whoever has the best shot at legitimately beating Trump." Tells you just how bad Biden has been, which is the scary part.

I actually thought Bloomberg would be lot more well-received given his war chest and experience but the actual reception has made it clear that beating Trump is secondary to...

TenuredVulture wrote:They, like Trump voters, appear to be choosing a candidate based on how that candidate makes them feel. (To be sure, the feelings that motivate those candidates are different.)

yes, i dont feel like voting for the democratic racist, misogynistic billionaire

Augustus wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:I think many Warren supporters, such as myself, value things like competence and an understanding how American politics works.

TenuredVulture wrote:It's apparent that most voters, even Democratic ones, do not seem to value these things much, as they are gravitating towards towards two of the least competent major candidates. They, like Trump voters, appear to be choosing a candidate based on how that candidate makes them feel. (To be sure, the feelings that motivate those candidates are different.)

Your second point perfectly distills how American politics actually works, yet in your first you say the person who truly gets it is the one who has come in third, fourth, fourth, and fifth so far.

I'm sure Warren is probably more prepared to execute the job of the presidency in a traditional way than Sanders, but she has very real liabilities-some no fault of her own, like sexism; others self-inflicted, like her terrible political instincts-that make her a likely loser against Trump.

Warren gets how things work inside the beltway in 2020 is what I meant to say.

It would be nice if we had ranked choice voting and then everyone could just run for President simultaneously and we’d never have gotten Trump in the first place and we also wouldn’t have to worry about nominating an unelectable candidate.

It would also be nice if Elizabeth Warren ran four years ago instead of the party collectively deciding that it was Hillary’s turn to be president.

Trent Steele wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I think it's a mistake to chase the candidate who is most likely to beat Trump. Ultimately, I think the candidate that inspires the most people to get out and vote will have the best chance.

*Get out and vote for them.

This, but more importantly, it's about getting people to vote for you in like 6 states. I will trade 1,000 new Dvotes in California, New York, and Illinois for every D one in Michigan, PA, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Florida.

Great point. Hillary got more people to vote than Trump did, but not where it mattered.

Gimpy wrote:It would be nice if we had ranked choice voting and then everyone could just run for President simultaneously and we’d never have gotten Trump in the first place and we also wouldn’t have to worry about nominating an unelectable candidate.

It would also be nice if Elizabeth Warren ran four years ago instead of the party collectively deciding that it was Hillary’s turn to be president.

Agree completely with the Warren part.