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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby Augustus » Thu Jan 17, 2019 00:14:22

joboggi wrote:This brexit, and general disruption of the west is Putin's full time job.

Political parties tend to meet around the back. Right meets left in a place where authoritarians rule.

And do Vlad's sponsoring of the far right.

This was a fascist movement in the UK, just like it was here. The movement started blossoming in France but never to the same extent.

From what I gather this is marking a RETURN to the EU, and so Putin's seeding is thwarted.

No one wants brexit now, except the Looney groups, presumably on the right.

Brexit will fade away with the no names that sponsored it in the UK

Long live the EU, the largest economy in the world. Long live NATO.

( You may remember the Donald keeps trying to do Putin's bidding and take down NATO.)


This would be impossible to quantify, but I have a theory that Russia’s troll campaign was much more effectice in the US (and U.K.) because of greater familiarity with our language and with the fault lines in our society through consumption of our pop culture, as opposed to France. A Russian intelligence officer is probably much better at playing a disaffected American online than a disaffected Frenchman.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby joboggi » Thu Jan 17, 2019 00:49:21

Read the quote

Donald throws the campaign under the bus. The Donald did not collude, the campaign did.

One day I did hear Gulliani say, collusion is not a crime.

In fact it is, it is just conspiracy.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby joboggi » Thu Jan 17, 2019 00:58:54

Augustus wrote:
joboggi wrote:This brexit, and general disruption of the west is Putin's full time job.

Political parties tend to meet around the back. Right meets left in a place where authoritarians rule.

And do Vlad's sponsoring of the far right.

This was a fascist movement in the UK, just like it was here. The movement started blossoming in France but never to the same extent.

From what I gather this is marking a RETURN to the EU, and so Putin's seeding is thwarted.

No one wants brexit now, except the Looney groups, presumably on the right.

Brexit will fade away with the no names that sponsored it in the UK

Long live the EU, the largest economy in the world. Long live NATO.

( You may remember the Donald keeps trying to do Putin's bidding and take down NATO.)


This would be impossible to quantify, but I have a theory that Russia’s troll campaign was much more effectice in the US (and U.K.) because of greater familiarity with our language and with the fault lines in our society through consumption of our pop culture, as opposed to France. A Russian intelligence officer is probably much better at playing a disaffected American online than a disaffected Frenchman.


France, expanding, did not impact due to timing.

The le pen election came after the brexit and Donald messes.

It was my impression the lies told by both elections had become clearer when it came time for France to vote.

I had a Russian roommate for awhile.

He was interesting and opinionated, and then he looked at the list of executed Russian journalists.

I will find it in a moment.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby joboggi » Thu Jan 17, 2019 01:02:43

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/21/60449755 ... ep-falling

Putin uses all methods to further his goals

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby thephan » Thu Jan 17, 2019 09:23:04

CalvinBall wrote:Only for Dems in Congress, silly


Rudy just said on CNN that he never said there was no collusion between people on the campaign and Russia.

So what's he's saying is that they know that Mueller knows campaign people colluded. Good stuff.



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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby Werthless » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:25:14

This news can only be considered great

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby JUburton » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:31:02

lol Michael Cohen, at the request of the president (he says), hired an IT firm to rig early online polls to show trump ahead

AND because obviously........the IT firm claims they were stiffed

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1 ... 7699106818

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby joboggi » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:44:21

JUburton wrote:lol Michael Cohen, at the request of the president (he says), hired an IT firm to rig early online polls to show trump ahead

AND because obviously........the IT firm claims they were stiffed

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1 ... 7699106818



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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:53:20

joboggi wrote:
JUburton wrote:lol Michael Cohen, at the request of the president (he says), hired an IT firm to rig early online polls to show trump ahead

AND because obviously........the IT firm claims they were stiffed

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1 ... 7699106818



Stop thief

JH knows a lot more about how polling firms work these days than I do, but this seems a bit off. I suppose an IT firm (whatever that means) could do a half assed automated poll. But it's hard to imagine anyone paying attention. And I suppose there are some garbage polling/market research firms that might take money to rig polls, but again, it's hard to imagine anyone paying any attention there either, and on top of that, I would guess even a garbage pollster would want a lot of money to risk credibility. The other possibility I guess is the IT firm was to hack into the polling firm's data and manipulate it that way. But I doubt the IT firm would complain about getting stiffed if that were the case, since I'm pretty sure that's a crime.

Now, if Cohen told a polling firm to do an internal poll, and fool around with it a bit to get an outcome that Trump would like, playing with likely voter models or weighting schemes, sure, that's possible. But hardly a scandal. And it's easy to believe Trump hired polling firms and didn't pay them.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby JUburton » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:58:22

They were just vote bombing online polls so tweets would come out showing Drudge or CNBC poll shows Trump leading!

Obviously not major but it's extremely trump.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby Werthless » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:21:04

JUburton wrote:They were just vote bombing online polls so tweets would come out showing Drudge or CNBC poll shows Trump leading!

Obviously not major but it's extremely trump.

Yeah, I remember Trump specifically pointing out how well he was doing in online polls. You know, the ones that he were already fake, but now we know we were even more faker than usual.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:25:05

JUburton wrote:They were just vote bombing online polls so tweets would come out showing Drudge or CNBC poll shows Trump leading!

Obviously not major but it's extremely trump.

Yeah, think this is it. Most news consumers - especially the types who watch FNC 24/7 - aren't going to know the difference between a real poll and an online poll like this, so it probably had some worth to try to game them. And building on that, plenty of news producers - some because they were trying to push a pro-Trump narrative, others because they're as dumb as the people watching and don't know why online polls are different from a Gallup poll - would credulously report on these things.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby Phred » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:36:54

I remember at the very beginning, he would say that he had hundreds (thousands?) of people at his rallies when he would only have handfuls and that caused more people to go to his rallies than otherwise would.

Not against the law but helps illustrate that his entire campaign was built on lies from the beginning.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby The Savior » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:57:09

Well jeez if he’s willing to do this then...
On a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how pissed is he?

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:33:38

jerseyhoya wrote:
JUburton wrote:They were just vote bombing online polls so tweets would come out showing Drudge or CNBC poll shows Trump leading!

Obviously not major but it's extremely trump.

Yeah, think this is it. Most news consumers - especially the types who watch FNC 24/7 - aren't going to know the difference between a real poll and an online poll like this, so it probably had some worth to try to game them. And building on that, plenty of news producers - some because they were trying to push a pro-Trump narrative, others because they're as dumb as the people watching and don't know why online polls are different from a Gallup poll - would credulously report on these things.


Then why didn't Trump just get the Russians to bomb these polls for free? (I mean, they probably did, right?)
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby momadance » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:38:27

Only this jackass could turn a Missile Defense Review with the Pentagon into a speech about a fucking wall.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby momadance » Thu Jan 17, 2019 12:42:58

The wall is needed to stop "human hijacking"

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby thephan » Thu Jan 17, 2019 13:35:09

Never beaten, proven wall technology must be higher to stop missiles.
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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Jan 17, 2019 13:40:44

Tom Marino is resigning. Makes sense to do it two weeks into his new term.

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Re: Politics: 2 All Beef Patties, Shutdown on a Bob Mueller

Postby thephan » Thu Jan 17, 2019 15:00:05

JUburton wrote:lol Michael Cohen, at the request of the president (he says), hired an IT firm to rig early online polls to show trump ahead

AND because obviously........the IT firm claims they were stiffed


I am mostly sure I heard that the IT firm got a Walmart bag of cash in mixed bill adding up to like $13K, and a boxing glove, 1 boxing glove, from Cohen as payment. I wish I had clearly heard the information, but it honestly sounded like a joke.
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