The Sarge wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:

Roger Dorn wrote:It will be hilarious when Roe v. Wade gets overturned and Collins acts dismayed because he was steadfast in his belief that it was “established law”

You think that Alito and Roberts will both vote to overturn?

Isn't Gorsuch on record that he will not vote to overturn?

Would they have to overturn it? Couldn't they just create some super strict restriction that would all but outlaw it?

We're pretty much there now. States pretty much can all but make it impossible to get an abortion. The status quo is good for Republicans--they can keep Roe v. Wade as an issue to get the rubes voting R so the wealthy can get their tax cuts, and affluent people can still pretty easily get abortions no matter where they live. A reversal of Roe v. Wade would have enormous symbolic impact, but not a whole lot of practical impact.

philliesphhan wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:Anyone ready to jump on my expatriation train? We're #$!&@ for at least a generation.

Or maybe just two years...people die in their 60s and 70s all the time.

Everyone acts like it is a guarantee that the conservatives on the court are going to live until they are 90.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are both in their early 50s

Gorsuch looks like he's in his late 60s though. Maybe he like about his age way back to play little league or something.

I mean honestly what's the point

Soren wrote:I mean honestly what's the point

Imagine if conservatives had your defeatist attitude after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Roe vs Wade, and Election Night 2008.

Buck up buttercup!!!

foh

Soren wrote:foh

Like a mighty pheonix, progressivism will rise again from the smoldering embers.

The problem with being overly optimistic is there's literally some things that are set now and we can't do anything about them. Even with a blue wave, there's a ton of seats that need to stay as is for it to actually matter.

Our only real hope is Mueller and at this point, that looks like it will wrap up some time in 2024 or so

philliesphhan wrote:The problem with being overly optimistic is there's literally some things that are set now and we can't do anything about them. Even with a blue wave, there's a ton of seats that need to stay as is for it to actually matter.

Our only real hope is Mueller and at this point, that looks like it will wrap up some time in 2024 or so

Yeah...but long term...say 15+ years out there is every indication with demographic shifts that the GOP's days, with it's current platform, are numbered.

And really...isn't the message we should be embracing rather than wallowing in sorrow?

I think this is going to mark peak shittiness and things will, starting four weeks from Tuesday, start getting better.

If the GOP continues to be successful in suppressing voters, gerrymandering, ignoring foreign election interference, stacking the SC and other shenanigans, demographic shifts may not matter.

JFLNYC wrote:If the GOP continues to be successful in suppressing voters, gerrymandering, ignoring foreign election interference, stacking the SC and other shenanigans, demographic shifts may not matter.

Well, in that case the majority will revolt, probably violently, against minority rule. I would think that the minority would like to avoid that at all costs.

Yeah the minority never rule ever

“How did murkowski get to no”

Prettttty easy. Flake and Collins said yes.

Vote. These. Fuckers. Out.

44% of SCOTUS will have been nominated by presidents who did not receive more votes than their opponent.

06hawkalum wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:The problem with being overly optimistic is there's literally some things that are set now and we can't do anything about them. Even with a blue wave, there's a ton of seats that need to stay as is for it to actually matter.

Our only real hope is Mueller and at this point, that looks like it will wrap up some time in 2024 or so

Yeah...but long term...say 15+ years out there is every indication with demographic shifts that the GOP's days, with it's current platform, are numbered.

And really...isn't the message we should be embracing rather than wallowing in sorrow?

I think this is going to mark peak shittiness and things will, starting four weeks from Tuesday, start getting better.

how optimistic. The senate is dire and will get worse. Democrats need to win by 7% nationally to take the house. SCOTUS is currently lost and will be a disaster if RBG dies before 2021.

Demographics are helpful but we are in big trouble.

06hawkalum wrote:

Soren wrote:I mean honestly what's the point

Imagine if conservatives had your defeatist attitude after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Roe vs Wade, and Election Night 2008.

Buck up buttercup!!!

This is correct. It never ends. Keep on. We can take our state back and push positive stuff to help people. You can do stuff locally. You can stay active and stay effective.

Bucky wrote:44% of SCOTUS will have been nominated by presidents who did not receive more votes than their opponent.

Poor John Kerry. Bucky doesn't think he counts as a person!

jerseyhoya wrote:

Bucky wrote:44% of SCOTUS will have been nominated by presidents who did not receive more votes than their opponent.

Poor John Kerry. Bucky doesn't think he counts as a person!

Bucky must be an originalist too.

Glad you could float down from your mountain of smug to point out that Bush didn't lose the popular vote twice, only once. Thanks Jon.

Always glad to be of service. Given Roberts and Alito were both appointed after President Bush won reelection with about 51% of the vote, it seems they have the seal of democratic approval!

44% of the justices will have been nominated by a president who got less than 50% of the vote, with Kavanaugh joining the illegitimate trio of Gorsuch, Breyer and Ginsberg.