The idea that the Republicans are going to let Kavanaugh be rejected in order to drive up midterm MAGA enthusiasm and then push through whoever in a lame duck session is too clever by half. Is Mitch McConnell really this adept at pulling strings (convincing 2 R Senators to vote no) and willing to take a lot of heat for failing to push Kavanaugh through as he's promised?

It's really never straight forward on the turnout question either. Sure, it may encourage som MAGAs in North Dakota or where ever, but it also makes the Republicans look weak, and that might have the opposite effect. And it will most assuredly embolden Democratic voters--we stopped this, and now if we vote we can stop a lot of other bad stuff.

Of course, maybe Heidi Heitcamp will undermine the whole thing by voting Yes after Collins and Flake vote No.

Fuck Kavanaugh. This is my legal opinion.

Not like it was ever really in doubt, but Sasse is a yes

TenuredVulture wrote:The idea that the Republicans are going to let Kavanaugh be rejected in order to drive up midterm MAGA enthusiasm and then push through whoever in a lame duck session is too clever by half. Is Mitch McConnell really this adept at pulling strings (convincing 2 R Senators to vote no) and willing to take a lot of heat for failing to push Kavanaugh through as he's promised?

It's really never straight forward on the turnout question either. Sure, it may encourage som MAGAs in North Dakota or where ever, but it also makes the Republicans look weak, and that might have the opposite effect. And it will most assuredly embolden Democratic voters--we stopped this, and now if we vote we can stop a lot of other bad stuff.

Of course, maybe Heidi Heitcamp will undermine the whole thing by voting Yes after Collins and Flake vote No.

Heitkamp has already said she's a no. She ain't going back now.

And no way is a democrat the 50th vote. Just not a chance.

JUburton wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:The idea that the Republicans are going to let Kavanaugh be rejected in order to drive up midterm MAGA enthusiasm and then push through whoever in a lame duck session is too clever by half. Is Mitch McConnell really this adept at pulling strings (convincing 2 R Senators to vote no) and willing to take a lot of heat for failing to push Kavanaugh through as he's promised?

It's really never straight forward on the turnout question either. Sure, it may encourage som MAGAs in North Dakota or where ever, but it also makes the Republicans look weak, and that might have the opposite effect. And it will most assuredly embolden Democratic voters--we stopped this, and now if we vote we can stop a lot of other bad stuff.

Of course, maybe Heidi Heitcamp will undermine the whole thing by voting Yes after Collins and Flake vote No.

Heitkamp has already said she's a no. She ain't going back now.

And no way is a democrat the 50th vote. Just not a chance.

Manchin?

Still no. Dude is up 8-10 points...while not a perfect position I don't think a no would sink him. Keep the faith dudes.

Collins says she is a "yes" on the cloture vote and will announce her vote on Kavanaugh at 3PM

I'll never understand the yes on cloture if you're a no on the vote itself.

Squire wrote:Collins says she is a "yes" on the cloture vote and will announce her vote on Kavanaugh at 3PM

I have hope

Murkowsko a NO on cloture!!!!

Murkowski No
Manchin AYE

Lol, if he's the 51st vote for confirmation too, dunno how that plays

passes cloture 51-49

jerseyhoya wrote:Murkowski No
Manchin AYE

Lol, if he's the 51st vote for confirmation too, dunno how that plays

51st vote means nothing so whatever. Optics of being the 51st vote vs 50th are a little weird, so I'll give you that.

Basically as Collins goes, so will Manchin.

TenuredVulture wrote:... after Collins and Flake vote No.

Where Collins and Flake have been reliable noise makers, they have also been reliable party voters too.

thephan wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:... after Collins and Flake vote No.

Where Collins and Flake have been reliable noise makers, they have also been reliable party voters too.

She's strayed on some major votes including healthcare, reinstating net neutrality, 20wk abortion ban, fed funds for abortion providers.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/co ... m-collins/

Honestly, I feel better than ever after looking at this, especially her record on women's rights. Which isn't to say great but...

Manchin, Flake, Collins

Please

Collins is gonna be a no. Why would you have a floor speech to vote yes, especially after Murkowski seems to be a no. If you're a yes just say it now and let her take whatever heat.

Is this wishful thinking? Yes, obviously.

stay strong, but prepare yourself for the likely outcome.

I swear that I saw a tweet this morning that some GOP senator's daughter is getting married this weekend so he won't be there tomorrow for a vote. Unfortunately, I can't find the tweet anymore so maybe it was BS.