GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Fri Sep 14, 2018 15:58:40

The music was really that bad?
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 16:28:42

It is interesting that all these GOP consultants take the track that there is nothing to see here because none of these charges have to do with the president. How stupid are we supposed to be to think that deals with these folks would be labeled as 'tell me about the peepee tape'?
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Fri Sep 14, 2018 17:59:40

45Cpmittee, inc. Wants you to know that our borders are more secure and that you're being paid more because of a president who put you first.

Having to tell Americans that these things happened is highly suspicious. Especially when the average person hasn't seen a raise in a very long time, and there really hasn't been much trickle down into people's pockets. The Border, well that one is a lot more than debatable.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Fri Sep 14, 2018 18:56:36

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:According to Ronan Farrow the letter Feinstein gave to the FBI was from a woman who went to high school with Kavanaugh and alleges he held her down to force himself on her and covered up her mouth and turned up music to hide her pleas to stop

Why would she hide this
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby The Savior » Fri Sep 14, 2018 20:25:27

Seriously?
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Fri Sep 14, 2018 21:07:48

The Savior wrote:Seriously?


I'm thinking pacino means Feinstein, not the victim
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby Bill McNeal » Fri Sep 14, 2018 21:39:44

The Farrow article mentions that Fienstien didn’t want to subject the accuser to the onslaught that would accompany making the accusation public.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 14, 2018 21:53:10

Manafort isn't going to cooperate. He's just helping trump by getting the trial out of the way which would have happened in the last few weeks before the election. This is just ensuring the pardon.

I feel like Trump is going to get away with all the russian stuff, but he won't get away with the foundation and tax stuff. Unfortunately, I think those problems will be on hold until after he's out of office, whenever that is.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby joboggi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 22:26:07

Something is wrong.

The Rep CANNOT pick up Senate seats in a wave year.

Polls say ND and IND GO RED.

That was the last time before the election I look at the polls.

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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Fri Sep 14, 2018 22:29:37

Donald Trump wrote:“When Trump visited the island territory last October, OFFICIALS told him in a briefing 16 PEOPLE had died from Maria.” The Washington Post. This was long AFTER the hurricane took place. Over many months it went to 64 PEOPLE. Then, like magic, “3000 PEOPLE KILLED.” They hired GWU Research to tell them how many people had died in Puerto Rico (how would they not know this?). This method was never done with previous hurricanes because other jurisdictions know how many people were killed. FIFTY TIMES LAST ORIGINAL NUMBER - NO WAY!
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby Woody » Fri Sep 14, 2018 22:41:23

Monkeyboy wrote:Manafort isn't going to cooperate. He's just helping trump by getting the trial out of the way which would have happened in the last few weeks before the election. This is just ensuring the pardon.

I feel like Trump is going to get away with all the russian stuff, but he won't get away with the foundation and tax stuff. Unfortunately, I think those problems will be on hold until after he's out of office, whenever that is.


so he's going to incriminate the President and everyone he knows as part of his agreement deal and then that's going to earn him a pardon?
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 14, 2018 23:12:40

Woody wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Manafort isn't going to cooperate. He's just helping trump by getting the trial out of the way which would have happened in the last few weeks before the election. This is just ensuring the pardon.

I feel like Trump is going to get away with all the russian stuff, but he won't get away with the foundation and tax stuff. Unfortunately, I think those problems will be on hold until after he's out of office, whenever that is.


so he's going to incriminate the President and everyone he knows as part of his agreement deal and then that's going to earn him a pardon?



I'm abput 24 hours behind in the news because I was camping with 120 9th graders. I am REALLY surprised he is cooperating. The last news I had was that he had signed a plea agreement and the terms had not been disclosed. I figured he had pled guilty to charges to avoid a costly trial. And because he knew a pardon was coming.

We'll see what he actually discloses, but I doubt it will be anything that ties the president to Putin. He'll probably sell out the president for tax fraud and election violations. I am starting to believe Mueller has Manafort on something like treason. I mean, Manafort is going to spend the rest of his life in prison either way without a pardon, so why agree to disclose anything? His only chance of not dying behind bars was the pardon or a super sweet plea deal in exchange for nailing the president. I suspect they have Manafort on basically treason charges and Manafort knew that Trump couldn't pardon him for it.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby The Dude » Fri Sep 14, 2018 23:37:34

His plea deal includes a lesser sentence
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 14, 2018 23:48:13

15-20 years, right? He's 69.

He'll be lucky not to die in prison. And he also has the other charges. Maybe they'll allow him to serve them concurrently, but he'll almost certainly die in prison. Maybe he knew they had him nailed and this was his only chance to ever get out, but I'm still surprised. He'll now have to cooperate with the russian stuff. Is he really going to risk selling out Putin with what Putin did to the guy and his daughter in the UK? Is he going to risk his kid's lives to cooperate against Putin?

I'm more than a little shocked. I thought he would never flip.

Also, note that the agreement said that he had to also do undercover work for Mueller. How can he do undercover work for Mueller once everyone knows he's cooperating? I think that has to mean that he's already done the undercover work. If so, he may have already nailed Trump for Mueller.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby The Dude » Fri Sep 14, 2018 23:56:48

All we know right now is one max sentence would be 10 years. Where are you reading the stuff about working undercover.

It’s great to also see thay Tony Podesta and other Democrats were working with him in the Ukraine. What a country
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 00:18:14

It's in section 8b of the cooperation agreement. It may be standard in this type of agreement, but it's there.

For sure, with this many people involved in criminal activity, it would be shocking if there weren't some dems. It's a GOP mess though.
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby The Dude » Sat Sep 15, 2018 00:25:51

Yeah that a is definitely boilerplate. They don’t expect him to put a wig on and walk into trump tower
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Sep 15, 2018 04:45:11

I thought it was possible he signed the agreement a while ago and did the undercover stuff through another means over the last few weeks. Trump was apparently really caught off guard by the agreement and Manafort's lawyers have been signaling that there would be no agreement. BUt I agree that it was probably a boilerplate. I only saw one section of the agreement when I first posted about it. Now that I've seen the whole thing, it seems like a standard document (not that I'm a lawyer).
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby The Savior » Sat Sep 15, 2018 06:27:40

They are now inside the Trump Tower meeting as well as any discussions in the build up.

Kushner and DTJ - did they testify under oath?
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Re: GOTV for Rep Moz ( (D-BSG) Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Sat Sep 15, 2018 09:39:15

The Savior wrote:They are now inside the Trump Tower meeting as well as any discussions in the build up.

Kushner and DTJ - did they testify under oath?


I don't think so, but lying to Congress is still a crime.
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