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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby thephan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 22:52:55

Saw that Pruitt want tge AG job.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby thephan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 22:57:53

News

- Roy Moore accusers house caught fire suspiciously

- wall phase 1 tagged at $18B
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby CFP » Fri Jan 05, 2018 23:26:40

Warszawa wrote:Why hasn’t trump fired Sessions? Wouldn’t that be the easiest way to get out of this mess?

No. No it would not be.

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby JFLNYC » Fri Jan 05, 2018 23:44:02

Trump wants him to resign. Firing him would just look like (and be) more obstruction of justice.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby 1 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 00:15:02

just watched the obama episode of comedians in cars getting coffee

i'm so depressed now
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby Roger Dorn » Sat Jan 06, 2018 00:45:59

@realDonaldTrump Michael Wolff is a total loser who made up stories in order to sell this really boring and untruthful book. He used Sloppy Steve Bannon, who cried when he got fired and begged for his job. Now Sloppy Steve has been dumped like a dog by almost everyone. Too bad!
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Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Jan 06, 2018 00:47:35

He can't sleep. :lol:

This book has really fucked him up.

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Sat Jan 06, 2018 00:52:29

The idea that Bannon cried when he got fired is one of Trump's least believable claims, which is saying something

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby thephan » Sat Jan 06, 2018 08:17:15

While simultaneously being one of the most satisfying images you can crop up in your mind. Sloppy Steve Stanley solving in The Situation Room.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby traderdave » Sat Jan 06, 2018 09:15:17

Roger Dorn wrote:@realDonaldTrump Michael Wolff is a total loser who made up stories in order to sell this really boring and untruthful book. He used Sloppy Steve Bannon, who cried when he got fired and begged for his job. Now Sloppy Steve has been dumped like a dog by almost everyone. Too bad!


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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby thephan » Sat Jan 06, 2018 09:18:38

I think the Russian investigation will end where many people, including people on this board, always assumed it was going to be. There's going to be a tie-up between the kushners and Trump's and Russians for money laundering. That's been rather obvious the whole time, just lacking attention, and legal proof. The question becomes what happens next?
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby pacino » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:03:21

he may be legit insane

i've been loathe to make it too much about Trump, but this is just another level. imagine if ANY other politician did this shit. this guy may actually have serious undiagnosed mental problems and he has the goddamn nuclear codes.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby thephan » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:08:10

Don’t worry PAC, Grassley and Graham got it covered.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby pacino » Sat Jan 06, 2018 13:01:14

the scoop on the DA firings:
Some names have since leaked from inside the rapidly transforming office. While some ADAs expressed shock at their dismissal, other sources saw a clear method to the madness. One source inside the DAO – who held onto his job – described a list of two dozen fired attorneys circulating among staff as “supervisors with different visions, veteran high-salaried do-nothings or younger prosecutors associated with misconduct.”

A number of names on a list of axed staffers include attorneys assigned to the DAO’s homicide division – which handles many capital cases – and drug enforcement and civil asset forfeiture units that have drawn the ire of criminal justice reformers.

Other sources noted that numerous murder squad prosecutors, a unit with a record of seeking the death penalty despite Gov. Tom Wolf’s moratorium on state executions, were let go. (Only three convicted murderers have received the penalty in Pennsylvania in the last 37 years, the last being executed in 1999.)

Andrew Notaristefano, a homicide prosecutor who has convicted dozens of murderers in more than a decade at the office, confirmed to the Inquirer Friday that he had been let go “without explanation.” The longtime prosecutor, however, has over the years fought for a Death Row verdict in court – even arguing for it in a 40-year-old murder case last year.

In 2015, a Philadelphia judged ordered a retrial in a 2002 death penalty conviction due to a glaring DNA mix-up. Common Pleas Court Judge Benjamin Lerner called the case “a gross series of unimaginable mistakes” by both police and prosecutors. In his defense, Notaristefano, who was assigned to handle the retrial, said that it was an “honest mistake” and that the convicted killer’s attorneys – one of whom was Michael Coard, a longtimer Krasner supporter who sat on his transition committee – had also missed the blunder.

E. Marc Costanzo and Pat Blessington, two top ADAs in the office, were also reportedly fired. Both had been close associates of Frank Fina, a former state prosecutor whose feud with disgraced Attorney General Kathleen Kane dominated headlines for years. Costanzo had joined Fina and fellow prosecutor Pat Blessington in retreating to Philadelphia from the AG’s office in the wake of the so-called “Porngate” scandal. Calls to both officials went unreturned Friday, although a DA source with firsthand knowledge of Costanzo’s firing confirmed his dismissal.

sounds mostly like good riddance to bad rubbish to me
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Jan 06, 2018 13:11:28

Werthless wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:jersey is saying the thing monkeyboy is claiming is a distraction is specifically about what monkeyboy thinks we are getting distracted from

10 years ago, before I joined this board, I never would have guessed that this sentence would make so much sense.


I did a poor job of explaining because I didn't want to go into it. Distraction is a poor word choice. I think this book stuff will get tied together with the Russia stuff, then the book stuff will be discredited, maybe in absolute fashion, which will then allow Trump's followers (and the idiot media that create them) to say the whole Russia thing is also dsicredited. They make it work by tying the book to the scandal. Meanwhile, they will bash Mueller, find tiny things to blow out of proportion (like the anti-Trump texts between investigators), and run a million of their own investigations to confuse the matter. Mueller will do his thing and probably even get some people behind bars, but Trump will survive, which is all that really matters when you control both houses of Congress and the SCOTUS.

I now see that the book guy has recordings. That will make it more difficult to discredit. But keep in mind that his supporters already believe everyone is out to get Trump. EVERYONE. The first thing my brother said when I talked to him about this is that he's never seen the media attack anyone like they have attacked Trump. Nevermind that Trump is acting in ways no other president has acted .... he's the VICTIM.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Sat Jan 06, 2018 14:12:01

Monkeyboy wrote:
Werthless wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:jersey is saying the thing monkeyboy is claiming is a distraction is specifically about what monkeyboy thinks we are getting distracted from

10 years ago, before I joined this board, I never would have guessed that this sentence would make so much sense.


I did a poor job of explaining because I didn't want to go into it. Distraction is a poor word choice. I think this book stuff will get tied together with the Russia stuff, then the book stuff will be discredited, maybe in absolute fashion, which will then allow Trump's followers (and the idiot media that create them) to say the whole Russia thing is also dsicredited. They make it work by tying the book to the scandal. Meanwhile, they will bash Mueller, find tiny things to blow out of proportion (like the anti-Trump texts between investigators), and run a million of their own investigations to confuse the matter. Mueller will do his thing and probably even get some people behind bars, but Trump will survive, which is all that really matters when you control both houses of Congress and the SCOTUS.

I now see that the book guy has recordings. That will make it more difficult to discredit. But keep in mind that his supporters already believe everyone is out to get Trump. EVERYONE. The first thing my brother said when I talked to him about this is that he's never seen the media attack anyone like they have attacked Trump. Nevermind that Trump is acting in ways no other president has acted .... he's the VICTIM.


Tell your brother that in fact the media is pro-trump, and in fact to the extent they continue to behave as they always have are enabling Trump (perhaps not intentionally, but in fact I believe that many of them do in fact realize the way they cover politics is how Trump was able to become President in the first place) and even more to the point, without the mainstream media, Trump would never have sniffed the Republican nomination. All those early debates could not have been designed better if the media did not want Trump to get this nomination.

This is why I'm willing to (re)consider the value of the Wolff book. Now, obviously, publishing this book has made Wolff quite wealthy, and that was probably his main goal. But in disrupting the "everything is normal" narrative being pushed by the Republicans and the mainstream media, Wolff may have done some real good here. Certainly normal journalism (if that's what you want to call the disgraceful product most of the media puts out there) has done nothing in our abnormal times. Maybe it's time for a new kind of journalism, that makes no pretense to objectivity or looking at both sides of an issue, whatever that means.

To be sure, all of this is rather speculative.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby Bucky » Sat Jan 06, 2018 14:14:25

pacino wrote:he may be legit insane

i've been loathe to make it too much about Trump, but this is just another level. imagine if ANY other politician did this #$!&@. this guy may actually have serious undiagnosed mental problems and he has the goddamn nuclear codes.


this is close if not exact from him tweestorm this morning: "I'm a totally stable genius"

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby curveball » Sat Jan 06, 2018 14:19:22

With his womanizing maybe he has an undiagnosed STD eating his brain away.

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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby pacino » Sat Jan 06, 2018 14:23:06

TenuredVulture wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Werthless wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:jersey is saying the thing monkeyboy is claiming is a distraction is specifically about what monkeyboy thinks we are getting distracted from

10 years ago, before I joined this board, I never would have guessed that this sentence would make so much sense.


I did a poor job of explaining because I didn't want to go into it. Distraction is a poor word choice. I think this book stuff will get tied together with the Russia stuff, then the book stuff will be discredited, maybe in absolute fashion, which will then allow Trump's followers (and the idiot media that create them) to say the whole Russia thing is also dsicredited. They make it work by tying the book to the scandal. Meanwhile, they will bash Mueller, find tiny things to blow out of proportion (like the anti-Trump texts between investigators), and run a million of their own investigations to confuse the matter. Mueller will do his thing and probably even get some people behind bars, but Trump will survive, which is all that really matters when you control both houses of Congress and the SCOTUS.

I now see that the book guy has recordings. That will make it more difficult to discredit. But keep in mind that his supporters already believe everyone is out to get Trump. EVERYONE. The first thing my brother said when I talked to him about this is that he's never seen the media attack anyone like they have attacked Trump. Nevermind that Trump is acting in ways no other president has acted .... he's the VICTIM.


Tell your brother that in fact the media is pro-trump, and in fact to the extent they continue to behave as they always have are enabling Trump (perhaps not intentionally, but in fact I believe that many of them do in fact realize the way they cover politics is how Trump was able to become President in the first place) and even more to the point, without the mainstream media, Trump would never have sniffed the Republican nomination. All those early debates could not have been designed better if the media did not want Trump to get this nomination.

This is why I'm willing to (re)consider the value of the Wolff book. Now, obviously, publishing this book has made Wolff quite wealthy, and that was probably his main goal. But in disrupting the "everything is normal" narrative being pushed by the Republicans and the mainstream media, Wolff may have done some real good here. Certainly normal journalism (if that's what you want to call the disgraceful product most of the media puts out there) has done nothing in our abnormal times. Maybe it's time for a new kind of journalism, that makes no pretense to objectivity or looking at both sides of an issue, whatever that means.

To be sure, all of this is rather speculative.

wolff is a bad journalist but he may have accidentally committed good journalism simply by upending the status quo. i just wish we weren't at the point where a shit book like this was elevated.
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Re: Buttons for Buffoons - POLITICS

Unread postby WheelsFellOff » Sat Jan 06, 2018 14:24:37

I'm wondering who's going to play trump in the movie.
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