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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Oct 19, 2017 09:52:40

CNN: John Kelly told Trump Obama never called him when his son died, but he didn't think Trump would tell everyone.

John Kelly dipshit confirmed

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Thu Oct 19, 2017 09:56:27

JUburton wrote:CNN: John Kelly told Trump Obama never called him when his son died, but he didn't think Trump would tell everyone.

John Kelly dipshit confirmed


That's a take. It's his job to try and get the POTUS to not be a completely awful person (probably failing here). I assume that he told Pres. Trump the story to imprint how much a phone call could mean. That he probably only got a letter or maybe a meeting in person a little down the line, but hearing from the Commander-in-Chief shortly after helps in the hopes of getting Trump to call the families of those lost in Niger.

Trump, being Trump, Trumped.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Oct 19, 2017 09:57:32

wouldn't Obama have called his son's wife if he made a call, anyway? i mean, they were at a gala celebrating gold star families together.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Oct 19, 2017 09:57:57

slugsrbad wrote:
JUburton wrote:CNN: John Kelly told Trump Obama never called him when his son died, but he didn't think Trump would tell everyone.

John Kelly dipshit confirmed


That's a take. It's his job to try and get the POTUS to not be a completely awful person (probably failing here). I assume that he told Pres. Trump the story to imprint how much a phone call could mean. That he probably only got a letter or maybe a meeting in person a little down the line, but hearing from the Commander-in-Chief shortly after helps in the hopes of getting Trump to call the families of those lost in Niger.

Trump, being Trump, Trumped.
Not really a take to assume that Trump will take anything anyone says and use it to his own devices especially when it could be seen as a hit on Obama. Obvious hyperbole, but what did you think would happen, John.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Oct 19, 2017 09:58:48

HARRISBURG — The potential for a tax on Marcellus shale natural gas production gained new life Wednesday, as a bill emerged from a state House committee and Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf urged leaders of the Republican-controlled chamber to speed it to a floor vote.

Wolf, who has long sought the tax, called the proposal "fair and commonsense."
Pennsylvania, the nation's No. 2 gas state thanks to the prolific Marcellus shale, is the only major natural gas producer that does not tax production. Wolf and other supporters of the tax say it is a fair way to help stitch up Pennsylvania's deficit-riddled finances amid a four-month budget standoff.

Six Republicans on the House Finance Committee defied party leaders to vote for the bill with all 10 Democrats.
The exploration industry opposes it, as does the Pennsylvania Chamber of Business and Industry, and it still faces a climb to get to Wolf's desk. House Republican leaders, who oppose it, could use procedural tactics to bottle it up or delay it.
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The House bill imposes a volume tax that rises with the price of natural gas from 2 cents per thousand cubic feet to 3.5 cents per thousand cubic feet. A sponsor, Rep. Gene DiGirolamo, R-Bucks, said at the current price it would raise about $250 million in a full year, although others calculated a figure closer to $100 million, using 2016 production and current prices.

DiGirolamo is one of the last true moderate Republicans left. I imagine he'll be primaried for his efforts.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Werthless » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:07:35

JUburton wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
JUburton wrote:CNN: John Kelly told Trump Obama never called him when his son died, but he didn't think Trump would tell everyone.

John Kelly dipshit confirmed


That's a take. It's his job to try and get the POTUS to not be a completely awful person (probably failing here). I assume that he told Pres. Trump the story to imprint how much a phone call could mean. That he probably only got a letter or maybe a meeting in person a little down the line, but hearing from the Commander-in-Chief shortly after helps in the hopes of getting Trump to call the families of those lost in Niger.

Trump, being Trump, Trumped.
Not really a take to assume that Trump will take anything anyone says and use it to his own devices especially when it could be seen as a hit on Obama. Obvious hyperbole, but what did you think would happen, John.

We weren't there for the conversation. If Trump asked him "Did Obama call you?" what do you expect him to say? Lie?

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:09:19

Werthless wrote:
JUburton wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
JUburton wrote:CNN: John Kelly told Trump Obama never called him when his son died, but he didn't think Trump would tell everyone.

John Kelly dipshit confirmed


That's a take. It's his job to try and get the POTUS to not be a completely awful person (probably failing here). I assume that he told Pres. Trump the story to imprint how much a phone call could mean. That he probably only got a letter or maybe a meeting in person a little down the line, but hearing from the Commander-in-Chief shortly after helps in the hopes of getting Trump to call the families of those lost in Niger.

Trump, being Trump, Trumped.
Not really a take to assume that Trump will take anything anyone says and use it to his own devices especially when it could be seen as a hit on Obama. Obvious hyperbole, but what did you think would happen, John.

We weren't there for the conversation. If Trump asked him "Did Obama call you?" what do you expect him to say? Lie?
I don't see how that has anything to do with 'but he didn't think Trump would tell everyone'.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:15:43

Pretty clear whatever was said, it was not "Presidents before you have never called the family of military service men and women who are KIA."

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:28:39

Uncle Milty wrote:I guess I'm the outlier but I don't understand the expectation for the president to call.

They know what they signed up for.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:32:14

Uncle Milty wrote:I guess I'm the outlier but I don't understand the expectation for the president to call.


There isn't one. Presidents have conveyed condolences in various ways and in various situations throughout history.

Trump, in his usual thin-skinned, irascible and impulsive way created an issue where there wasn't one. Here's a decent summery.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:32:58

It is obviously and incredibly warm gesture in their darkest moment.

But yes, it would be logistically impossible for the President to call every single wife or husband and father and mother.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:36:06

heard gwb sent them all personal paintings

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:36:15

swishnicholson wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:I guess I'm the outlier but I don't understand the expectation for the president to call.


There isn't one. Presidents have conveyed condolences in various ways and in various situations throughout history.

Trump, in his usual thin-skinned, irascible and impulsive way created an issue where there wasn't one. Here's a decent summery.

yeah, it's not a requirement, but it's a nice thing to do. the only reason this became an issue is because trump didn't like a question the media asked him...he could've simply answered diplomatically, but he's a bad person. and whichever way you give condolences, you:

1. don't make it about you

2. don't blame someone else

3. let them grieve the way they want

4. keep it fucking private
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:48:46

JUburton wrote:heard gwb sent them all personal paintings


Speaking of W, I think that he has to be a closet fan of the donald. Every stupid thing don does makes W look like a much better president.

All I had to do was post this to get W to move to blast Trump? If only I knew, but now I want to know which one of you is W.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:50:20

Surrogate Fox News wants you to know: Florida Democrat Wilson no friend of veterans, vote record shows

If it hasn't happened yet, I am sure that Trump will tweet about how much better, absolutely amazing he is to veterans versus that democrat from congress
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:12:53

thephan wrote:Sarah said that General Kelly is disgusted that this has been politicized. The this would be dragging his son into the ring, right, then pitting him against another Gold Star family, right, so he is pissed at the president...

*tap, tap, tap, is this thing on, tap, tap tap... hello, anyone out there?

General Kelly should know that there is a huge difference between being a 'good soldier', and being a prop in a confidence scam, so exiting stage right is not a personal failure but perhaps a great service to the nation.


HEADLINE: White House: John Kelly 'disgusted' by the way his son's death has been 'politicized'

I hope General Kelly get it, his boss politicized it, no one else. It is another unforced error.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:17:00

he knew what he signed up for

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:38:37

feel like some of you guys think John Kelly is a good person not willing to play political games

he's a strident xenophobe and unabashedly endorses the playbook of pushing targeted immigration reduction by conflating economic immigration with the danger of groups like MS13 and the cartels. just check out one of his speeches and be grossed out

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:54:44

Houshphandzadeh wrote:feel like some of you guys think John Kelly is a good person not willing to play political games

he's a strident xenophobe and unabashedly endorses the playbook of pushing targeted immigration reduction by conflating economic immigration with the danger of groups like MS13 and the cartels. just check out one of his speeches and be grossed out
Yeah, I don't think it's that bad here but the impulse in the media to say 'thank god there are adults in the room like kelly and mcmaster', while understandable, is still disappointing given they're pretty much bush admin carbon copies.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Soren » Thu Oct 19, 2017 13:07:53

JUburton wrote:heard gwb sent them all personal paintings

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