Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:27:01

slugsrbad wrote:Sgt. Johnson's mother tells Washington Post that "Trump did disrespect my son and my daughter and also me and my husband."


Says he did not know her husband's name.

Hey, at least he made the call right? Obama never did that.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:34:05

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pacino wrote:VA Governor's race tightening up, within margin of error on several polls


That is not welcome news, but it was expected to be much closer then the call to arms poll numbers from a week or two to go.

Meh, even in a brutal cycle for Democrats (2013) and with a flawed candidate, McAuliffe won by 2.5 points. Yes, people hated Cuccinelli, but the Tea Party LOVED him.

In what should be a terrible year for Republicans thanks to Trump, I can't fathom that Gillespie would outperform Cuccinelli. Not to mention that four more years have passed for Virginia's electorate to shift leftward--Clinton actually got more votes in 2016 than Obama did in 2012 and carried the state by a wider margin.

I see it being within 2 or 3 points and being a nailbiter for most of the night, but this MS-13 scare tactic by Gillespie is turning off a lot of Northern Virginia and Richmond-area moderates. He's running a really, really dumb campaign modeled after Trump and Corey Stewart even though that approach didn't work for either of them in Virginia.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby traderdave » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:35:49

Uncle Milty wrote:Popoviching off
“I’ve been amazed and disappointed by so much of what this President had said, and his approach to running this country, which seems to be one of just a never-ending divisiveness. But his comments today about those who have lost loved ones in times of war and his lies that previous presidents Obama and Bush never contacted their families, is so beyond the pale, I almost don’t have the words.”

“This man in the Oval Office is a soulless coward who thinks that he can only become large by belittling others. This has of course been a common practice of his, but to do it in this manner – and to lie about how previous presidents responded to the deaths of soldiers – is as low as it gets. We have a pathological liar in the White House: unfit intellectually, emotionally, and psychologically to hold this office and the whole world knows it, especially those around him every day. The people who work with this President should be ashamed because they know it better than anyone just how unfit he is, and yet they choose to do nothing about it. This is their shame most of all.”


This is really, really well done and spot on.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:12:25

So your hot take Richmond is that MS-13 will be out to the polls in force. ;) Living in NVa I can confirm that the whole Northam is a gang enabler thing was received with almost as much indignation as it deserves. I am not sure if it is a state wide ad campaign, but the more factual swamp-thing Gillespie lobbyist angle is playing on a loop up here (backed up with 'humble country doc' Northam is up for sainthood). It seems convincing given that it just rolls out his list of accomplishments for his clients.

WRT Northam, is there any mention of him being born in Nassawadox over on the Eastern Shore "down south"? None here, but that would seem like something that should have some play.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:45:27

thephan wrote:His defense of his insensitivity when he called the widow is to say that it was private call.


He's right, in this case. That Trump is a maladroit oaf is no surprise. But no one other than the person receiving the call had any right to disclose it.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:46:29

Squirm Sessions squirm. The non-answer claiming privileged without any privileged asserted is getting hammered. Jeff did not understand that the request relates to what he refused to answer before. Smells like a lie,
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Bucky » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:52:27

swishnicholson wrote:
thephan wrote:His defense of his insensitivity when he called the widow is to say that it was private call.


He's right, in this case. That Trump is a maladroit oaf is no surprise. But no one other than the person receiving the call had any right to disclose it.


I'm not sure I agree given the circumstances.

“In his call with Sgt. La David T. Johnson’s widow, Myeshia Johnson, Trump told her, “He knew what was signing up for, but I guess it hurts anyway,” according to the account of Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.), who was riding in a limousine with Johnson when the president called and heard the conversation on speakerphone. Wilson recalled in an interview with The Washington Post that Johnson broke down in tears. “He made her cry,” Wilson said. The congresswoman said she wanted to take the phone and “curse him out,” but that the Army sergeant holding the phone would not let her speak to the president.”

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Phred » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:58:52

slugsrbad wrote:
Donald Trump wrote:I am supportive of Lamar as a person & also of the process, but I can never support bailing out ins co's who have made a fortune w/ O'Care.


Possibly signaling a veto down the line? Who the fuck knows with this guy.


Damn Obamacare putting all those dollars into Insurance companies' pockets. Before the ACA, insurance companies were barely breaking even and now look at them.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:04:03

Bucky wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
thephan wrote:His defense of his insensitivity when he called the widow is to say that it was private call.


He's right, in this case. That Trump is a maladroit oaf is no surprise. But no one other than the person receiving the call had any right to disclose it.


I'm not sure I agree given the circumstances.

“In his call with Sgt. La David T. Johnson’s widow, Myeshia Johnson, Trump told her, “He knew what was signing up for, but I guess it hurts anyway,” according to the account of Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.), who was riding in a limousine with Johnson when the president called and heard the conversation on speakerphone. Wilson recalled in an interview with The Washington Post that Johnson broke down in tears. “He made her cry,” Wilson said. The congresswoman said she wanted to take the phone and “curse him out,” but that the Army sergeant holding the phone would not let her speak to the president.”


I'm not saying the Congresswoman was underhanded in listening in. And I'd be fine with family members disclosing and the Congresswoman confirming. Not so much the other way around.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Soren » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:14:39

Bucky wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:
thephan wrote:His defense of his insensitivity when he called the widow is to say that it was private call.


He's right, in this case. That Trump is a maladroit oaf is no surprise. But no one other than the person receiving the call had any right to disclose it.


I'm not sure I agree given the circumstances.

“In his call with Sgt. La David T. Johnson’s widow, Myeshia Johnson, Trump told her, “He knew what was signing up for, but I guess it hurts anyway,” according to the account of Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.), who was riding in a limousine with Johnson when the president called and heard the conversation on speakerphone. Wilson recalled in an interview with The Washington Post that Johnson broke down in tears. “He made her cry,” Wilson said. The congresswoman said she wanted to take the phone and “curse him out,” but that the Army sergeant holding the phone would not let her speak to the president.”


I think we call all agree that this is tolerable as long as we get that sweet, sweet tax and healthcare reform. GOP 2018!
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:28:39

Franken grinding Sessions, Session is pissy, the outcome will be a mess without anything of value as the focus is to make it into an arguments based on not answering, and other denying tactics.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:30:22

Ben Sasse is a hero! He accidentally dumped a <product placement> Dr. Pepper on Cruz while Sessions and Franken were sparring. Sadly, Cruz did not melt.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby pacino » Wed Oct 18, 2017 13:33:47

he's going to attack the widow
thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Oct 18, 2017 13:37:52

pacino wrote:he's going to attack the widow


The Mom publicly confirmed that Congresswomen Wilson's account was correct as she was also in the limo at the time of the call
she added that her daughter was most upset that Trump didn't even mention his name as if he didn't know it
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 13:55:27

Is there a reason he will go after the widow? Mom said something, so she gets his ire. This whole thing is horrible. You have to rewind it to Trump starting with his brag, that never should have happened, then he was forced into action because of his brag-lie. Just unnecessary.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby The Sarge » Wed Oct 18, 2017 13:57:22

This will all get settled when Trump releases the non existent tape of the conversation.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby Woody » Wed Oct 18, 2017 14:00:35

thephan wrote:Is there a reason he will go after the widow?


Because he's a soulless, uncaring, stupid, pathological piece of despicable shit motivated only by his own power?
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby traderdave » Wed Oct 18, 2017 14:38:36

thephan wrote:Is there a reason he will go after the widow? Mom said something, so she gets his ire. This whole thing is horrible. You have to rewind it to Trump starting with his brag, that never should have happened, then he was forced into action because of his brag-lie. Just unnecessary.


Agree 100%.

If Adolf is able to check his ego and resist the urge to once again make a situation all about himself and demonstrate how much better he is than the rest of us this incident never becomes a thing. Him talking about how difficult making those calls is on him made me want to puke. TOUGH ON YOU?!?!? Those families lost a child; how tough on them do you think it is?

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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 14:50:48

Where is this line of talk coming from that morale is super high in the armed forces? What is the measure? This seems like some type of 'look over there' thing to deflect, but the topic is so close to the horror of the day its just moronic.
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Re: Tillerson says more on Trump in the politics thread

Unread postby thephan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 14:56:01



He would have contacted everyone if the military would have done its job and given him the names and contact information per Sarah Huckabee. Wow, it sucks to be a service member this week.
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