...PPP!!...Politics.Plus.Poll...What a relief!!!

If the 2020 Presidential election were tommorrow who would you vote for?

Trump
2
4%
Democratic Challenger no matter who
39
81%
Other
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15%
 
Total votes : 48

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Unread postby Werthless » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:12:07

I like the creativity here. But I question whether this country needs more militias organizing themselves. :)

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Unread postby pacino » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:15:41

phew phew

don't step on my freedom, werthless
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Unread postby Werthless » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:18:49

pacino pacino pacino... a law encouraging/requiring gun owners to organize themselves into small organizations with undefined purposes... is that something you stand behind? :)

Although I certainly appreciate the effort to shift the licensing requirements onto a community with incentives to self-police, while simultaneously moving closer to the text of the Constitution.

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Unread postby JUburton » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:30:25

Uncle Milty wrote:I think as a whole we should realize the Constitution is antiquated and it's appropriate to consider transforming to fit a modern world.
great, scalia just rose from his grave.

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Unread postby JFLNYC » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:39:31

It’s a good argument known as the “collective rights model.” The collective rights model was embraced by all the Circuits until this century beginning with the 5th Circuit and ultimately the SC (particularly Scalia in the Heller case) which resolved the then-split Circuits in favor of an individual’s right to bear arms. IOW, the SC decoupled the right to bear arms from the “militia” preamble, saying the preamble was but one of many civic reasons for the Second Amendment.

Another example of the SC not being final because they’re right, but being right because they’re final.
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Unread postby slugsrbad » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:02:10

Quick Google shows that GoGo is wrong with regards to the Kiwi and the Banana.

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Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Oct 05, 2017 14:12:21

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Unread postby Werthless » Thu Oct 05, 2017 14:22:09

Freedom of the press? Eh.

Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!

Donald Trump, at 3:59 AM - 5 Oct 2017

He's either up very early or very late!

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Unread postby JUburton » Thu Oct 05, 2017 14:32:04

I agree with Bret Stephens? Damn, got some soul searching to do.

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Unread postby slugsrbad » Thu Oct 05, 2017 15:11:11

Reports that Trump will decertify the Iran nuclear deal, because fuck living.
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Unread postby jamiethekiller » Thu Oct 05, 2017 15:17:26

NPR had this chief strategist on this morning. what a whirlwind!

said that they will all recommend him to de-certify it but still follow it. then they asked what does that actually mean and if they would start to use sanctions. he said no sanctions then said that sanctions would be a way to enforce a better deal for USA.

found it!
http://www.npr.org/2017/10/05/555796320 ... -iran-deal

MARK DUBOWITZ: I think all of the principals have all joined in a unanimous decision to recommend to President Trump to decertify the deal. And I think there's also unanimous agreement that, for now, the United States should stay in the deal but work to actually improve it.

MARTIN: You say a unanimous opinion to work to improve the deal but to stay in the deal, to recertify?

DUBOWITZ: To decertify.

MARTIN: To decertify?

DUBOWITZ: Yeah, to decertify, have the president refuse to certify that the deal is in a vital national security interest of the United States and then move forward on trying to find a way to actually strengthen the deal, fix the deal and get rid of some of the fatal flaws of the deal.


MARTIN: Do you think that should happen? Do you think sanctions should be re-upped?

DUBOWITZ: No, I don't. No, I don't.
As I've said, I support strengthening the deal and working the diplomatic path with our European allies to try and fix it. So my sense is that that's not what's going to happen. And even, for example, Tom Cotton, who has been a leading critic of the Iran deal, said only a couple of nights ago that he also believes this is the time to decertify the deal but not necessarily to reinstate the sanctions and to give diplomacy some time to work.

MARTIN: Well, then what leverage do you have over Iran when you say they're not allowing access? How do you change that?

DUBOWITZ: Well, you change it by making very clear to Iran that the United States, as a matter of U.S. policy and U.S. law, is not going to accept a deal that cannot be verified. And so the administration is now going to be rolling out a comprehensive Iran policy. It'll be a pressure campaign using all instruments of American power.

MARTIN: And what does that look like when you say all instruments of American power?

DUBOWITZ: Well, it needs financial and economic power. It needs more sanctions. It means using military power to roll back and subvert Iranian aggression in the region. It means using political power and covert action.


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Unread postby pacino » Thu Oct 05, 2017 15:19:06

Translation: it happened under Obama and we must get rid of it then re-enact it under a new label
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Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Oct 05, 2017 15:52:28

Trump is playing with fire with this Iran deal.

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Unread postby JFLNYC » Thu Oct 05, 2017 16:23:40

Literally.
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Unread postby Roger Dorn » Thu Oct 05, 2017 16:24:48

Each day that passes I'm more worried about 2020...He seems to be getting more senile and I'm convinced he will contest the election and call on half the country to deny the results. This basically keeps me up at night.
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Unread postby JFLNYC » Thu Oct 05, 2017 16:30:36

He's going to flip flop and say the Russians influenced the 2016 election and that 2020 will be delayed until "we figure it out."
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Unread postby smitty » Thu Oct 05, 2017 16:53:07

Gimpy wrote:What if to buy a gun you need to be registered with a state militia? It would be totally separate from the federal government and the militia can regulate its members however it wants. Then if a member of the militia or gun belonging to a member of the militia kills someone illegally or in an accident, treat it like a strict liability deficiency in training/screening and everyone in the militia loses their gun privileges for two years or something. Limit the number of militias per state to like 1 per 100,000 citizens.

There are probably a million holes in this suggestion, but it’s just a spitball idea. It keeps the big bad federal government away from guns, should jive with the second amendment, and creates some actual accountability/self regulation for gun owners. If you knew a member of your militia going crazy/being reckless would lead to you losing your guns for two years, wouldn’t you want strict regulations on who can join?


The only real militia we have in this country is the National Guard. The fact that the Supreme Court doesn't know that is appalling. The original militias were a men in a town gathering in the town square to fight off Indian attacks.

Their performance in wars like 1812 was not good. Eventually we turned the Militia into state National Guards who can be nationalized in time of war.
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Unread postby slugsrbad » Thu Oct 05, 2017 16:54:20

I think it was mentioned already, but Tim Murphy to resign. Good riddance.
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Unread postby thephan » Thu Oct 05, 2017 16:58:17

I do not believe it was. And the reason I say that is that I meant to post earlier today that I saw he was not going to run for reelection. Had not yet seen that he was going to step down. I think with everything else floating around his life as a heretic just didn’t make it above the fold. I could be wrong
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Unread postby Doll Is Mine » Thu Oct 05, 2017 17:14:18

Roger Dorn wrote:Each day that passes I'm more worried about 2020...He seems to be getting more senile and I'm convinced he will contest the election and call on half the country to deny the results. This basically keeps me up at night.


That's my concern as well. He's the type to not leave the White House if he loses, triggering a national crisis.

Best case scenario, he's impeached and forced out before 2020.

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