President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby JUburton » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:35:49

pacino wrote:interesting poll. how do the parameters of this hold up, jh?
President Donald Trump's job approval rating in the American counties that fueled his 2016 victory stands at 50 percent, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll of these "Trump counties."

In the Trump "surge counties" (for example: Carbon, Pa., where Trump won 65 percent to 31 percent, versus Romney's 53-45 percent margin) — 56 percent of residents approve of the president's job performance.

Trump beat Hillary Clinton in these "surge" areas nationwide by a combined 65 percent-to-29 percent margin in 2016.
I think my problem with all of these is that they're public at large, not registered and especially not likely voters.

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:36:04

President Mr Trump made up a friend named Jim in order to bash Paris

maybe he's neighbors with John Barron
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:40:35

Israel's government appears to side with the right-wing Orban government in Hungary in its crusade against George Soros. Orban rules with vaguely coded dogwhistle politics. Amazing.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:51:46

went to a swing left meeting last night. the 3 candidates who are running for the dem nom for PA 7 were there. sheehan, mcginty, and perry.

sheehan and perry are by far the most likeable. spoke with perry for a good bit. he knows his stuff. crazy life story. dont think anyone beat meehan, but would love if perry did. dude is bright and seems like someone who the party needs.

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby traderdave » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:55:06

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Most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one Don jr attended in order to get info on an opponent. That's politics!


Maybe except that Uday (or is he Qusay) isn't a politician AND it is probably safe to assume that "most politicians" are not offered oppo research from non-friendly foreign governments.

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:01:49

pacino wrote:interesting poll. how do the parameters of this hold up, jh?
President Donald Trump's job approval rating in the American counties that fueled his 2016 victory stands at 50 percent, according to a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll of these "Trump counties."

In the Trump "surge counties" (for example: Carbon, Pa., where Trump won 65 percent to 31 percent, versus Romney's 53-45 percent margin) — 56 percent of residents approve of the president's job performance.

Trump beat Hillary Clinton in these "surge" areas nationwide by a combined 65 percent-to-29 percent margin in 2016.

I kinda like the effort at examining voters in different ways that might better group them attitudinally+regionally and be easy to track over time - though Echelon was on this path before NBC.

His approval in these places is quite a bit lower than his vote share, which is a combo of the polls being of all adults as JUburton pointed out, the fact that he got a lot of votes from people who weren't favorably inclined toward him to begin with (just they disliked Clinton more), and actual loss of support. If you cut him, he bleeds.

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:12:14

CalvinBall wrote:went to a swing left meeting last night. the 3 candidates who are running for the dem nom for PA 7 were there. sheehan, mcginty, and perry.

sheehan and perry are by far the most likeable. spoke with perry for a good bit. he knows his stuff. crazy life story. dont think anyone beat meehan, but would love if perry did. dude is bright and seems like someone who the party needs.

surprised Leach wasn't there. There's also Dan Muroff, who has the Rendell wing that I wouldn't vote for (for whatever that's worth at this point). then there's ANOTHER candidate, Elizabeth Moro.

with someone like Sheehan she doesn't live in the district yet; that doesn't bode well. neither does McGinty

i wish someone would run in the 8th! absolutely no one has declared there


edit: side note, the district is garbage and i don't blame someone for not living in it past the idea that it puts you immediately at a disadvantage. i'm looking to win on offense here.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:18:26

pacino wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:went to a swing left meeting last night. the 3 candidates who are running for the dem nom for PA 7 were there. sheehan, mcginty, and perry.

sheehan and perry are by far the most likeable. spoke with perry for a good bit. he knows his stuff. crazy life story. dont think anyone beat meehan, but would love if perry did. dude is bright and seems like someone who the party needs.

surprised Leach wasn't there. There's also Dan Muroff, who has the Rendell wing that I wouldn't vote for (for whatever that's worth at this point). then there's ANOTHER candidate, Elizabeth Moro.

with someone like Sheehan she doesn't live in the district yet; that doesn't bode well. neither does McGinty

i wish someone would run in the 8th! absolutely no one has declared there


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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:20:32

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:20:48

pacino wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:went to a swing left meeting last night. the 3 candidates who are running for the dem nom for PA 7 were there. sheehan, mcginty, and perry.

sheehan and perry are by far the most likeable. spoke with perry for a good bit. he knows his stuff. crazy life story. dont think anyone beat meehan, but would love if perry did. dude is bright and seems like someone who the party needs.

surprised Leach wasn't there. There's also Dan Muroff, who has the Rendell wing that I wouldn't vote for (for whatever that's worth at this point). then there's ANOTHER candidate, Elizabeth Moro.

with someone like Sheehan she doesn't live in the district yet; that doesn't bode well. neither does McGinty

i wish someone would run in the 8th! absolutely no one has declared there


edit: side note, the district is garbage and i don't blame someone for not living in it past the idea that it puts you immediately at a disadvantage. i'm looking to win on offense here.


yeah i talked to mcginty about that. he was kinda brash and mildly nervous when speaking. he didnt give a great reason for running either. talked about how he appeals to republicans or something.

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby Bucky » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:01:47

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ah, the 'ol 'one cartoon dog kicking another cartoon dog in the butt' district

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 13:15:39

I missed that DJT pumped up his approval rating +4% in his tweet to day that 40% is "not bad". Earth, and simple math to DJT, even if you climbed up 11% to a 40% approval mark, that is bad. 40% would still mean a majority of those polled think you are 'not good'. Of course this is flawed polls based on his improbable win, and fake news.

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Jul 17, 2017 13:33:40

thephan wrote:I missed that DJT pumped up his approval rating +4% in his tweet to day that 40% is "not bad". Earth, and simple math to DJT, even if you climbed up 11% to a 40% approval mark, that is bad. 40% would still mean a majority of those polled think you are 'not good'. Of course this is flawed polls based on his improbable win, and fake news.

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That doesn't look right. low approval rating marks for each of these were Carter 28, Reagan 35, Bush 1 29, Clinton 37, Bush 2 25, Obama 38. Granted, undecideds probably meant Obama, Clinton and maybe Reagan never reached 60 disapproval, but the others seem dubious.

Update: Bush 1 hit 60 in July of 1992. Carter somehow reached only 59 despite his 28 percent approval, at least in the Gallup poll. Not sure why so many people had trouble making up their minds. Must have been in some sort of malaise.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 13:36:15

Saddest part of the ABC/WaPo poll is that where 70% of the respondents find Trump's action un-presidential, 24% are A-OK with it. Do you think his base would flinch if the appointed billionaires kingdom rulers over the country proportionally divided by % net wealth (keeping the best for his clan), raised the base's taxes to fun more wealth for the royalty, removed their healthcare in total, and committed mass killing of them weekly? Sort of an ode to GoT, but seriously, would that change their opinion at all? The ones who are still alive that is.

EDIT: I saw a digital WaPo headline that says: "Only 1 in 4 Americans strongly support Trump", but my take is holy fucking shit, 1 in 4 American actually strongly support Trump.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 14:16:15

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thephan wrote:I missed that DJT pumped up his approval rating +4% in his tweet to day that 40% is "not bad". Earth, and simple math to DJT, even if you climbed up 11% to a 40% approval mark, that is bad. 40% would still mean a majority of those polled think you are 'not good'. Of course this is flawed polls based on his improbable win, and fake news.



That doesn't look right. low approval rating marks for each of these were Carter 28, Reagan 35, Bush 1 29, Clinton 37, Bush 2 25, Obama 38. Granted, undecideds probably meant Obama, Clinton and maybe Reagan never reached 60 disapproval, but the others seem dubious.

Update: Bush 1 hit 60 in July of 1992. Carter somehow reached only 59 despite his 28 percent approval, at least in the Gallup poll. Not sure why so many people had trouble making up their minds. Must have been in some sort of malaise.


Actually the key word is disapproval. Looks like two separate weeks in late 2015 Obama hit 52% disapproval. I think you are looking at the other side of the apple (approval), so it is a same different.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby pacino » Mon Jul 17, 2017 14:16:48

PA could lose BILLIONS under US Senate bill:
HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Pennsylvania would lose billions of federal Medicaid dollars in a decade under Republican legislation pending in the U.S. Senate to replace "Obamacare," according to figures released Monday by Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf's administration.

Wolf, an opponent of the bill, released an analysis that says Pennsylvania could lose $12.7 billion in 2030 alone under a high-cost growth rate in Medicaid, and $5.5 billion that year under a low-cost growth rate in Medicaid.

Starting in 2020, Pennsylvania could lose nearly $1 billion under a high-cost growth rate.

"The losses in federal funds to protect health care benefits for Pennsylvania's most vulnerable are unacceptable and insurmountable," Wolf said in a statement.

Nearly 2.9 million Pennsylvanians — almost one in four — are covered by the state's $30 billion Medicaid program, a federal-state partnership. Pennsylvania's per capita and per beneficiary Medicaid spending is among the nation's highest.

Opponents say paring back Medicaid payments to the states would force the states to cut reimbursements to many Medicaid enrollees, potentially including the elderly, disabled and children.

The federal government pays slightly more than half the bill for most people on Medicaid. It pays nearly the whole bill for the more than 700,000 primarily childless low-income working adults who joined Medicaid starting Jan. 1, 2015, when Pennsylvania expanded income eligibility guidelines to take advantage of the more generous federal contribution rate under President Barack Obama's law.

Under the Senate bill, the federal government would still commit to funding the Medicaid expansion, albeit at a roughly 52 percent rate in Pennsylvania, compared to the 90 percent long-term rate under Obama's law.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby swishnicholson » Mon Jul 17, 2017 14:20:45

thephan wrote:
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thephan wrote:I missed that DJT pumped up his approval rating +4% in his tweet to day that 40% is "not bad". Earth, and simple math to DJT, even if you climbed up 11% to a 40% approval mark, that is bad. 40% would still mean a majority of those polled think you are 'not good'. Of course this is flawed polls based on his improbable win, and fake news.


That doesn't look right. low approval rating marks for each of these were Carter 28, Reagan 35, Bush 1 29, Clinton 37, Bush 2 25, Obama 38. Granted, undecideds probably meant Obama, Clinton and maybe Reagan never reached 60 disapproval, but the others seem dubious.

Update: Bush 1 hit 60 in July of 1992. Carter somehow reached only 59 despite his 28 percent approval, at least in the Gallup poll. Not sure why so many people had trouble making up their minds. Must have been in some sort of malaise.


Actually the key word is disapproval. Looks like two separate weeks in late 2015 Obama hit 52% disapproval. I think you are looking at the other side of the apple (approval), so it is a same different.


I was looking at approval initially because that was easier to locate. Per the update, Bush 1 also hit 60 percent disapproval. Didn't make any claims for the others, though I was surprised Carter didn't hit 60 in disapproval given his 28 % approval rating.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Jul 17, 2017 14:31:05

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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 15:14:12

This is a brutal time line, any second now Trump will double down cutting funding for public broadcasting of any type.

<Invoking Trump Logic> Its unnecessary, and if anything you should think that public broadcasting our be a channel for "America's" message, not a detractor.
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Re: President Trump BARELY KNOWS This Don Jr Person Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 15:29:26

Spicer is talking, in loops and circles... sort of being purposefully confusing, especially about anything that the Trump Companies would produce anywhere but here.... #MadeInAmerciaWeek

He did say that tweets take a second, but Trump is completely engaged in things. AKA tweets don't matter. But that would say that actions matter, and he has been pretty shitty about that too.
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