Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon May 15, 2017 10:27:04

JUburton wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:also on Morning Joe, Mika says KAC hates her job

“This is a woman, by the way, who came on our show during the campaign and would shill for Trump in extensive fashion and then she would get off the air, the camera would be turned off, the microphone would be taken off and she would say ‘bleeech I need to take a shower’ because she disliked her candidate so much,”
I've heard similar from someone who used to work for her. i think this makes it worse, tbh.


yes, she's either stupid or willfully deceptive

I don't think she's stupid
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon May 15, 2017 10:28:26

jerseyhoya wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:well if Joe Scarborough is to be believed, he claims he has sources that the FBI is close to revealing criminal acts by Trump

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/mornin ... nows-that/

They have already found the string and they are pulling on it, based on my contacts inside the FBI and they are starting to tug on that string, and they are going to keep tugging, keeping going, and it’s accelerated because of the way he fired Comey, and he knows it,

Nothing in the article says anything about criminal acts by Trump



valid point, first sentence of the article was awkward and I misinterpreted it, will edit
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Mon May 15, 2017 10:40:09

The article says "criminal" three (3) times, including in the headline:

Morning Joe says FBI close to exposing the president: ‘It’s a criminal issue — and Trump knows that’
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon May 15, 2017 10:40:42

slugsrbad wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Which school graduated the biggest asshat?

VT: Steve Bannon
UVA: Richard Spencer


You're really selling yourself and Richmond short.

Spencer was in my graduation class. I'm really sorry that I never punched him in the balls on a drunken Tuesday night at the Biltmore.

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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Mon May 15, 2017 10:41:21

jerseyhoya wrote:Nothing in the article says anything about criminal acts by Trump


let's keep focused on the fact that "leaders" of your party continue to abet a serial real estate failure who owes god-knows- who for serving as a large-scale money-laundering conduit (wittingly, unwittingly, I care less & less) and who continues to spend most of his time in office feverishly trying to cover his tracks, however Macbethian his process
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon May 15, 2017 10:46:48

who cares what joe scarborough says
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Mon May 15, 2017 10:47:55

I hear it by the way; but I will send.
There’s not a one of them but in his house
I keep a servant fee’d. I will tomorrow—
And betimes I will—to the weird sisters.
More shall they speak, for now I am bent to know,
By the worst means, the worst. For mine own good,
All causes shall give way. I am in blood
Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more,
Returning were as tedious as go o'er.
Strange things I have in head, that will to hand,
Which must be acted ere they may be scanned.


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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Mon May 15, 2017 10:51:05

JFLNYC wrote:The article says "criminal" three (3) times, including in the headline:

Morning Joe says FBI close to exposing the president: ‘It’s a criminal issue — and Trump knows that’

If you watch the clip or read the article none of the quotes say anything about the criminal acts being committed by Trump.

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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Mon May 15, 2017 10:55:25

jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The article says "criminal" three (3) times, including in the headline:

Morning Joe says FBI close to exposing the president: ‘It’s a criminal issue — and Trump knows that’

If you watch the clip or read the article none of the quotes say anything about the criminal acts being committed by Trump.


It doesn't name anyone. It's a tortured and unreasonable reading to take that story as somehow exculpatory of Trump.
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Mon May 15, 2017 10:57:53

jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The article says "criminal" three (3) times, including in the headline:

Morning Joe says FBI close to exposing the president: ‘It’s a criminal issue — and Trump knows that’

If you watch the clip or read the article none of the quotes say anything about the criminal acts being committed by Trump.


again, let's stay focused: while, as is so often the pattern, it may take time for the legal system to catch up to the way things really are, he IS a criminal, in that his mere existence is a crime
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Mon May 15, 2017 11:04:42

JFLNYC wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The article says "criminal" three (3) times, including in the headline:

Morning Joe says FBI close to exposing the president: ‘It’s a criminal issue — and Trump knows that’

If you watch the clip or read the article none of the quotes say anything about the criminal acts being committed by Trump.


It doesn't name anyone. It's a tortured and unreasonable reading to take that story as somehow exculpatory of Trump.

I didn't say that it's exculpatory for Trump. I said they don't say Trump was the one breaking the law. That seems like a pretty important detail. There are a lot of people on the internet getting way out over their skis on this.

The Russia investigation could end up being highly damaging to the administration politically, undercover illegality that sends people to prison, undermine trust in his judgment in hiring subordinates, and do many other bad things - and still not come close to touching Trump legally.

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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Mon May 15, 2017 11:19:03

jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The article says "criminal" three (3) times, including in the headline:

Morning Joe says FBI close to exposing the president: ‘It’s a criminal issue — and Trump knows that’

If you watch the clip or read the article none of the quotes say anything about the criminal acts being committed by Trump.


It doesn't name anyone. It's a tortured and unreasonable reading to take that story as somehow exculpatory of Trump.

I didn't say that it's exculpatory for Trump. I said they don't say Trump was the one breaking the law. That seems like a pretty important detail. There are a lot of people on the internet getting way out over their skis on this.

The Russia investigation could end up being highly damaging to the administration politically, undercover illegality that sends people to prison, undermine trust in his judgment in hiring subordinates, and do many other bad things - and still not come close to touching Trump legally.


First, I'm assuming the story has little credibility so, if anything, I'm way back on my skis. But looking simply at the four corners of the story itself the only administration name mentioned either in the article or on air is Trump's. It doesn't mention Flynn or Manafort or Page or Andrew Jackson or anyone else. So saying that it doesn't specifically say anything about criminal acts **by** Trump is pretty meaningless when it doesn't attribute criminal actions to anyone but Trump's name is the only one all over the article.
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Mon May 15, 2017 11:44:29

jerseyhoya wrote:The Russia investigation could end up being highly damaging to the administration politically, undercover illegality that sends people to prison, undermine trust in his judgment in hiring subordinates, and do many other bad things - and still not come close to touching Trump legally.



in another time, wise people understood that the coverup is worse - and possibly more prosecutable - than the crime

A day or so ago David Frum made an impassioned and quite detailed case that a special prosecutor is not the most efficacious path to ridding ourselves of this malignant carbuncle. Fine, fine, fine. Excision of this malignancy certainly needs to be lawful, as in "not running afoul of the law", but obsessing about whether drumpf the organism can be specifically brought to heel by the legal system is thoroughly beside the point.

Get him the fuck out of office. Soon. Cauterize the wound.

We can figure out which of several available ways punishment is inflicted on him and his family and anyone who has ever abetted any of his pernicious doings later.


Oh, and execute bannon
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby PSUsarge » Mon May 15, 2017 11:56:47

CFP wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:Not sure if this is the correct venue for the conversation but there is some political impact --- do we have any thoughts on this ransomware / cyberattack outbreak? Is Trump going to make a statement on this thing or what?


If he makes a statement it will probably be along the lines of this one, which didn't end well:
It sounded bad to me. Digital. They have digital. What is digital? And it’s very complicated, you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out. And I said—and now they want to buy more aircraft carriers. I said what system are you going to be—“Sir, we’re staying with digital.” I said no you’re not. You going to goddamned steam, the digital costs hundreds of millions of dollars more money and it’s no good.

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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon May 15, 2017 12:19:58

Steam costs a lot to maintain, fwiw
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Mon May 15, 2017 12:28:28

watching drumpf read some law&order speech somewhere in DC.

God, those bizarre, mincing hand gestures. I want rabid ferrets to gnaw his fingers off
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon May 15, 2017 12:29:10

Steam... full steam ahead... coal is used to make steam engines go... coal is good... protect American Coal Miners... <quick, hey by Galaxy S2, daddy's got something to say>
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon May 15, 2017 12:32:52

Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen is a real piece of work. The summary is that he will not meet with his constituents, but has not problem hunting down his citizen opposition and dropping letters to their employers. Targeting citizens sounds like something out of Germany about mid-twentieth century.
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon May 15, 2017 12:45:48

On page 21 Pac brings up <keeping it local> Manasshole Corey Stewart. Corey Stewart was Trumps man on the ground for a while during the election, but has always been an asshat. His favor of Alt Right stuff has always been there, but much more focused on gun stuff coupled with xenophobia fiery/crazy rhetoric. The confederate stuff is a different attention grab, and only a wrinkle in his otherwise charmless personality.
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Re: Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Mon May 15, 2017 13:08:41

thephan wrote:Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen is a real piece of work. The summary is that he will not meet with his constituents, but has not problem hunting down his citizen opposition and dropping letters to their employers. Targeting citizens sounds like something out of Germany about mid-twentieth century.

Above the word local, there’s a hand-written asterisk in the same blue ink as Frelinghuysen’s signature. At the bottom of the letter, scrawled with a pen, is the corresponding footnote: “P.S. One of the ringleaders works in your bank!”

Attached to the letter was a news article that quoted Avelenda. She says her boss presented her with both the letter and the news article. She was not fired, but she says she had a lot of explaining to do.

“I had to write a statement to my CEO, and at my level as an assistant general counsel and a senior vice president, at this employer it was not something that I expected,” Avelenda said. “I thought my Congressman put them in a situation, and put me in a really bad situation as the constituent, and used his name, used his position and used his stationery to try to punish me.”

“The Congressman wrote a brief and innocuous note at the bottom of a personal letter in regard to information that had been reported in the media. He was in no way involved in any of the bank's business and is unaware of any of the particulars about this employee's status with the bank.”
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