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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby swishnicholson » Tue Apr 18, 2017 08:31:01

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JUburton wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/books/shattered-charts-hillary-clintons-course-into-the-iceberg.html

i feel like this book is actually bad and would have been 100% different had 100k people not voted one way in 3 states. it seems like the kind of thing where they got tons of quotes throughout the process, then picked which ones to use after nov 8 set the narrative.

not saying the hillary campaign didnt make mistakes. obviously it did but this kinda seems like a cash grab.

yeah, that's how campaign books work. you get all you can then create the narrative after it happens. they're pretty stupid. Game Change was the stupidest of them all.


her actions before the campaign (setting up a private email server, becoming entangled in the Clinton Foundation, giving speeches to Wall Street banks) “hamstrung her own chances so badly that she couldn’t recover,” ensuring that she could not “cast herself as anything but a lifelong insider when so much of the country had lost faith in its institutions.”


A quote like this does seem like they want to have it both ways. Either she was such a flawed candidate going in, with so many negatives (justified or not), that winning an election was an uphill battle from the beginning, or she completely had it in her grasp and the tactical errors noted elsewhere in the review sabotaged what should have been an overwhelming and clear cut victory. I don't see how she can be nearly completely doomed from the start and an overwhelming favorite who blew her advantage. I tend to lean toward the prior, and find it mind boggling that the Democratic Party establishment got so completely behind her, as if making sure they were "fair" to her was more important than winning.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 08:37:46

I just brought up Game Change because had the result of that election gone differently, they'd have simply added a lot more about Jeremiah Wright, backing the wrong candidate in the primary, and self-inflicted wounds from Obama, etc. the people running wouldn't have necessarily actually been different, it's just the writers would've changed the story they told. people like Heilman and Halperin annoy me to no end. perhaps this coming book is not that, but I remain highly jaded.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 08:57:46

boy, President Mr trump looks a tad desperate by continually tweeting about this Georgia race
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Grotewold » Tue Apr 18, 2017 08:57:57

swishnicholson wrote:I don't see how she can be nearly completely doomed from the start and an overwhelming favorite who blew her advantage.


Because in between the GOP nominated the most disliked candidate of all time.

(Fair points, though.)

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:11:36

pacino wrote:boy, President Mr trump looks a tad desperate by continually tweeting about this Georgia race


GA-6 is crazy. The robo call from Trump is curiously funny, except it is stoked by his modus operandi of stoking fear.

[Trump Claimed]Ossoff served as Pelosi’s “yes man.”

“Only you can stop the super-liberal Democrats and Nancy Pelosi’s group, and in particular Jon Ossoff. If you don’t vote tomorrow, Ossoff will raise your taxes, destroy your healthcare, and flood our country with illegal immigrants,” he continued.


That is some power position Ossoff would pick up as a freshman in DC.

Side Notes:

1. Will it hurt him that he does not currently live in the district? Ha lives about 2640 yards out side of the line at the moment.
2. Will the cast of republicans wedge open the door for the single democrat?
3. Is it amusing that Trump take it personally that any election is termed as a referendum against him?
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:15:37

The district lines changed; the same residence likely used to be in the district. the entire district was drawn to avoid any big power centers for Democrats. I don't see the big deal, but it's a talking point they've used. I was big for a guy named Manan Trivedi who twice ran in PA-6. Real smart doctor, nice guy, and wanted to make a difference. The first time he lost but did fairly well in the 2010 Republican wave with very little notoriety so he ran again. The 2nd time around he didn't move but was suddenly outside the district because the Republicans redrew the PA lines to get more Republicans in office. he was then attacked as living outside the district...Gerlach then won by 14 points again and Trivedi's chances at ever gaining office were effectively over.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:16:29

Alissa Milano is going door to door in GA-6 for Ossoff. That seems odd, but maybe that is that outside demographic that worries Trump.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:17:10

thephan wrote:Alissa Milano is going door to door in GA-6 for Ossoff. That seems odd, but maybe that is that outside demographic that worries Trump.

i wish i lived in GA6
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby swishnicholson » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:17:28

pacino wrote:I just brought up Game Change because had the result of that election gone differently, they'd have simply added a lot more about Jeremiah Wright, backing the wrong candidate in the primary, and self-inflicted wounds from Obama, etc. the people running wouldn't have necessarily actually been different, it's just the writers would've changed the story they told. people like Heilman and Halperin annoy me to no end. perhaps this coming book is not that, but I remain highly jaded.


Oh, yeah, I think the point is valid. It's like these post-game NBA analyses that suddenly change course and make the outcome seem inevitable just because one final shot clanked off the rim or went through the net.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:19:25

If Ossoff receives less than 50 percent of the vote, the election will become a runoff between him and the next-highest finisher, which currently appears to be Handel
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Well that will be the tell. I was hoping that the race would eat itself, but this seems to be more of a problem. Here is to hoping a message is sent.
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Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:20:39

Your favorite twitter tweeting

The recent Kansas election (Congress) was a really big media event, until the Republicans won. Now they play the same game with Georgia-BAD!


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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:24:51

Trump's numbers actually slid a point after the MOAB, from 40% to 39% approval. Lets send it to the teens!
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 09:53:33

his numbers went up a tick on average, so I'm not sure what polls you are seeing.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:06:19

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:09:24

Also, don't confuse the day the poll results are released with when the people in the poll were actually interviewed.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:37:25

probably why May called for an election:

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time for Jeremy Corbyn to lose more
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby JUburton » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:40:12

oh for sure. it was definitely smart but this whole prime minister gets to choose when elections are just feels a bit wrong.

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:40:46

this seems crazy:
Many Britons may be exhausted from voting, after a referendum on Scottish independence (September 2014), a general election (May 2015) and the Brexit referendum (June 2016). In addition, local elections are scheduled for May 4. (It was too late to piggyback national elections onto the May 4 vote.)

Italy-esque

edit:

Mr. Cameron also endorsed the announcement, calling it a “brave — and right — decision.”

This will almost certainly end up the wrong decision.
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Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:42:07

this could be a good caption contest photo:

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"Is there some new and exciting way I can lose?"
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:55:15

When not tweeting about right sealing GA-6 House contenders, he tweets about Obama Failures:

“The weak illegal immigration policies of the Obama Admin. allowed bad MS 13 gangs to form in cities across U.S. We are removing them fast!” the president at 5:40 a.m.


I know, me and the facts thing, but seriously, how inept do you need to prove yourself, and how many times?
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