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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:05:22

thephan wrote:I have no idea why this is in the Washington Post Style section, but it is kind of horrifying that non-reporters, or people who say that they hate reporter, are being wired into the daily white house briefing, and being allowed to ask questions. Its more denigration of the press and promotion of message/propaganda, and it is even more shameless.

Jobe began his question at the inaugural Skype briefing in February with this preamble: “Clearly, anyone paying attention will see that President Trump is aggressively acting on his campaign promises. This in itself gives hope to my state and particularly the region in which I grew up, Appalachia. We’ve seen countless politicians make promises at both state and national levels, and not only forget us, but to turn on us.” He then asked Spicer about Trump’s plans to deregulate the coal-mining industry.

Perhaps the most polemical question came from Stevens, the history professor: “What are the president’s future plans for rolling back the expensive and burdensome regulations of the administrative state, most of which are the product of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats who never received the consent of the governed to do anything, let alone make law?” he asked.

i get the sense he'd have failed me
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:08:47

JUburton wrote:pluralities are a bitch.

shes far behind in 2nd round polls. hopefully she stays there.

Macron seems pretty sucky but he's conventional sucky. she'd be a nightmare. what country would be so stupid to elect someone like that as the head of their state?

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Soren » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:41:36

jh's heel turn into mpmcgraw level troll is maybe the most obnoxious thing that's happened on this board since we banned the last of dr.hill's accounts.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:45:54

pacino wrote:
Perhaps the most polemical question came from Stevens, the history professor: “What are the president’s future plans for rolling back the expensive and burdensome regulations of the administrative state, most of which are the product of unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats who never received the consent of the governed to do anything, let alone make law?” he asked.


i get the sense he'd have failed me


When you start out by using the Bannon’s watchword administrative state, you know anything coming is a pile of shit.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Bucky » Tue Apr 11, 2017 13:08:31

from Pacino's FAVORITE person:



I once stayed up all night reading a book, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, by Philip Dick. The book was made into the movie Blade Runner. The main character in the book, Rick Deckard, has to figure out something that seems like quite a challenge: is he a human being, or is he a “replicant”?
Replicants are artificial beings so similar to human beings that it’s very difficult to tell us and them apart – especially for them. In the book (and the movie), the only reliable way to do so is called the Voight-Kampff test. It’s a psychological test, not a physical test. It measures empathy, because replicants lack empathy.
Here is a scene from the movie, where Agent Holden is testing Leon to see whether Leon is a replicant:

Holden: You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when . . . .
Leon: Is this the test now?
Holden: Yes. You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a . . . .
Leon: What one?
Holden: What?
Leon: What desert?
Holden: Doesn't make any difference what desert . . . . It’s completely hypothetical.
Leon: But how come I'd be there?
Holden: Maybe you're fed up, maybe you want to be by yourself . . . who knows? So you look down and see a tortoise. It's crawling toward you . . . .
Leon: A tortoise. What's that?
Holden: Know what a turtle is?
Leon: Of course.
Holden: Same thing.
Leon: I’ve never seen a turtle. But I understand what you mean.
Holden: You reach down and flip the tortoise over on its back, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden, or do they write them down for you?
Holden: The tortoise lies on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over. But it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
Leon: What do you mean, I'm not helping?
Holden: I mean you're not helping! Why is that, Leon?
[Leon is angry, but he won’t answer.]
Holden: They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test designed to provoke an emotional response. Shall we continue?
[Leon nods, still unhappy.]
Holden: Describe, in single words, only the good things that come to your mind, about your mother.
Leon: My mother? I'll tell you about my mother!
[Leon shoots Holden.]

Philip Dick’s point is that it’s neither our neat opposable thumbs, nor our bulbous cerebrums, nor our relative hairlessness, nor the vertical pitch of our spines that makes us human. It’s our empathy. Our common decency. Our there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I-ism.

United Airlines and its CEO, Oscar Munoz, just failed the Voight-Kampff Test.

In case you haven’t seen the lather-rinse-repeat loop playing and replaying on CNN, on an overbooked flight from Chicago to Louisville, United Airlines arbitrarily picked out a passenger who had already boarded -- a doctor who told them that he needed to return to his duties at his hospital at home -- and sent in its security staff to beat him and drag him, unconscious, down the aisle and off the plane. The doctor then found his way back on the plane, blood streaming down his face, mumbling over and over again, “just kill me, just kill me.” Then he collapsed. United then took everyone off the plane (the doctor on a stretcher), apparently to clean up the blood. A correct number of designated passengers re-boarded, and the plane departed, sans doctor, two hours late.
When the assault occurred, another passenger – a total stranger -- said, “No! This is wrong! Oh my God! Look at what you did to him! Oh my God!”
She passes the Voight-Kampff Test.
Another passenger shouted “this is horrible!”
She passes the Voight-Kampff Test.
Another passenger derisively told the security staff, “Good work. Way to go.”
He passes the Voight-Kampff Test, assuming that he was being sarcastic.
But United Airlines’s CEO, Oscar Munoz, blamed the doctor, because “he raised his voice and refused to comply.”
Munoz fails the Voight-Kampff Test.
How would you feel, Mr. Munoz, if you were the one who had been beaten, knocked unconscious, and dragged down the aisle? Not so good? I didn’t think so.
Whatever the fine print may say, there is only one reason I can think of that would justify using that kind of violence to remove someone properly seated from a plane: (1) when he or she poses an actual danger to the passengers or the crew. Otherwise, no. And definitely not because there is someone the airline deems more worthy, waiting in the boarding lounge.
On an issue like this, I’m really not interested in the details of the contract of carriage. You simply can’t treat people that way. We’re not cattle, we’re not sheep, and airports are not slaughterhouses.
That’s not to say that things like this don’t happen. When I was in Mali once, I was denied boarding because someone bribed the ticket agent to give him my seat. But that’s Mali. That’s not the way we do things here.
It’s the sheer callousness of United that chaps my chaps. OK, United owns the aircraft, it wanted to put someone else in the doctor’s seat, and he felt that he couldn’t give it up. I get it. But you don’t give someone a concussion over that. That would be like deliberately running over a jaywalker. Or the firing squad for someone who runs a red light.
Or like smashing anti-apartheid activist Steven Biko’s head into the wall over and over again, until he dies. A decidedly non-hypothetical example of extreme and senseless violence by the people in charge.
Obviously, in this case, it’s the people in charge at United who need to remove those bulbous cerebrums from their posteriors. They’re the ones to blame.
But if any one of the 500,000 people who receive this email happens to work in the security field, I want to make this special plea to you. If you’re ever in a situation like this, don’t do it. As Nike says, just don’t do it. Keep the blood off your hands, even if it means losing your job. To me, you’ll be a hero.
And you’ll pass the Voight-Kampff Test.
Courage,
Alan Grayson
“Think of your fellow man.
Give him a helping hand.
Put a little love in your heart. . . .
And the world will be a better place.
And the world will be a better place,
For you, and me.
You just wait, and see.”
- Myers, Holiday & DeShannon, “Put a Little Love in Your Heart” (1968).

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 11, 2017 13:13:25

he's a movie villain

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 11, 2017 13:21:43

He's a loser (Dan Webster beat him, then Patrick Murphy finished him off), his wife is a loser (failed nominee & married to him as the 3rd Mrs. Grayson), his ex is a loser (apparently an accidental polygamist) and all his kids are all named stupid things that start with S (I just feel bad for them).
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby Gimpy » Tue Apr 11, 2017 13:28:04

pacino wrote:he's a movie villain

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Is that the love child of John C Reilly and Timothy Simons?

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 11, 2017 13:38:57

thephan wrote:He's a loser (Dan Webster beat him, then Patrick Murphy finished him off), his wife is a loser (failed nominee & married to him as the 3rd Mrs. Grayson), his ex is a loser (apparently an accidental polygamist) and all his kids are all named stupid things that start with S (I just feel bad for them).

sure, he lost his initial re-election for the House because he's an evil prick, and sure, he got decimated in the primary of the party that knew him best, but gosh darn he would've only lost to Marco Rubio by 7 points instead of 8! gotta stay 100% true to your values, even if that means voting for a fraud cheat like Alan Grayson!

Stein/Grayson 2020!
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 11, 2017 13:43:15

Last year, the individual market was profitable for the first time under Obamacare. A new Standard & Poor's report says the marketplaces still need a few more years to stabilize but showed promising signs in 2016. "The U.S. ACA individual market shows signs of improvement, as most insurers' 2016 results were better than 2015 results," the rating agency concludes, noting that the "market is still developing and will need a couple more years to reach target profitability."

let's cut it!
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:01:13

Spicer just allowed as to how even Hitler didn't use chemical weapons, apparently believing that most of the Holocaust victims were actually cooked in ovens rather than gassed
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby JUburton » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:03:08

didn't think we'd get to a 'literally worse than hitler' WH statement so fast, but here we are.

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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:03:11

Rep. Marino (R, PA-10) will probably step down to be the drug czar. Both Romney and Trump won with 60%+ of the vote, so it seems relatively safe for the GOP in a special election.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:05:12

Sean Spicer wrote:We didn't use chemical in WW2. Someone as despicable as Hitler who didn't sink to the level of using chemical weapons.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:10:59

does the dimwit even have a jr high school-level education?
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:18:24

Spicer finding it "ironic" that last week people were talking about "backchannel" connections to Russians, & now reporters are asking whether putin scorning a meeting with Mr. Haney - er, Tillerson - worsens the US-Russia relationship


Reporter retorts (words to this effect): "I don't even know what that means", meaning, I believe, the reporter is pretty sure Spicer doesn't know what irony is
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:18:30

slugsrbad wrote:Rep. Marino (R, PA-10) will probably step down to be the drug czar. Both Romney and Trump won with 60%+ of the vote, so it seems relatively safe for the GOP in a special election.

yeah, it makes sure to avoid any big democratic areas.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby thephan » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:19:01

Well, how about that spin. Summary: our now screwed up relationship with Russia proves that there was not back channel.

Hey you dult, Russia sporked around with the electoral process and ran an information campaign per just about every credible organization which looked at it to defeat Clinton. Was that Pro Trump? Of course it was, but it was also likely driven by a desire to damage her with Trump being the lucky winner of a happy accident by the adversary.
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:19:42

Guys, Spicer clarified, saying that Hitler was not using the gas on his own people the same way Assad is doing. So it's all good now, and at the same time he confirms the Nazi's claims that Jewish Germans were not citizens after all! Good job Sean!
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Re: Testifyin' like Flynn: It's Nunes of your business -poli

Unread postby pacino » Tue Apr 11, 2017 14:22:27

the alt supremacists will love this
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