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by **JFLNYC** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 23:31:18

He was damn good.

by **pacino** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 23:33:17

probably should've run for president; the guy got shit done.

i'd say he's too old to still do it but he's the same age as the current occupant

by **pacino** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 23:38:26

Filipino Senator arrested on spurious 'drug trafficking' charges in order to silence her disagreements with Duterte

by **pacino** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 23:44:43

pacino wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
pacino wrote:in case you thought maybe the speech was going to be The Pivot (tm), 3 of the 6 people invited to sit next to the First Lady are relatives of people killed by undocumented immigrants. He's also inviting scalia's widow, the daughter of a guy that started a pharma company, and someone who graduated a private school.

I mean, the daughter is someone who was given a near-death sentence at 15 years old and her dad founded a pharma company to research a drug to save her life and she's now at Notre Dame. It's a generic inspiring guest that usually attend these things, but the inspiring should not be overlooked.

details, details

yeah, it's a good story, but will no doubt involve something about letting pharma do whatever it wants

it was

also, it turns out Trump wants to give tax credits to people to help them afford insurance. it's totally different than premium subsidies, believe me.

doubling down on the war on drugs should be fun

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 23:59:53

I must say that was by far the sanest I've ever seen Donald Trump, no that the bar was high.

I'm pro the clean air, clean water, lots of jobs and affordable health care for everyone stuff.

Is it odd that there were no foreign policy statesments other than in most general terms and rehashes of campaign ideas?

by **Youseff** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 00:02:37

didn't watch but how did he reconcile clean air and clean water with cuts to the EPA?

by **drsmooth** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 00:02:48

for those confused by Youseff's posting of that iconic steelworkers photo:

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 00:04:40

Youseff wrote:didn't watch but how did he reconcile clean air and clean water with cuts to the EPA?

He didn't even attempt it.

by **pacino** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 00:05:59

swishnicholson wrote:I must say that was by far the sanest I've ever seen Donald Trump, no that the bar was high.

I'm pro the clean air, clean water, lots of jobs and affordable health care for everyone stuff.

Is it odd that there were no foreign policy statesments other than in most general terms and rehashes of campaign ideas?

i'm not surprised because they have no foreign policy

by **swishnicholson** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 00:06:25

JFLNYC wrote:
Youseff wrote:didn't watch but how did he reconcile clean air and clean water with cuts to the EPA?

He didn't even attempt it.

Oh, yeah , there certainly was plenty of that.

by **CalvinBall** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 00:09:56

Perez and Ellison doing the circuit together, well at least on MSNBC.

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 00:38:40

Zeke Miller‏ @ZekeJMiller
CNN snap poll: 57% "very positive" reaction; 21% "somewhat positive, 21% "negative"

Mr. Trump is doing it!

by **drsmooth** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 01:02:59

jerseyhoya wrote:
Zeke Miller‏ @ZekeJMiller
CNN snap poll: 57% "very positive" reaction; 21% "somewhat positive, 21% "negative"

Mr. Trump is doing it!

he's President Trump to you:

CNN wrote:[drumpf's] 57%.... fell below the reviews either Barack Obama or George W. Bush received for either of their initial addresses to Congress. In 2009, 68% had a very positive reaction to Obama, while 66% gave Bush very positive reviews in 2001. Likewise, the 69% of speech-watchers who thought Trump's policies would move the nation in the right direction lagged behind the share who felt that way about Obama's or Bush's policies in the first year, and ranks around their low-marks on this score. Obama's low-mark on that score was 68% last year and his high was 88% in 2009. Bush topped out at 91% in 2002 and hit a low mark of 67% in the final year of his presidency.

by **slugsrbad** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 01:03:47

jerseyhoya wrote:
Zeke Miller‏ @ZekeJMiller
CNN snap poll: 57% "very positive" reaction; 21% "somewhat positive, 21% "negative"

Mr. Trump is doing it!

by gr » Wed Mar 01, 2017 01:08:56

i decided to watch the FOX News post-speech coverage (just got home from traveling all day) to see how rosey it is and I caught the end of the panel of GOP house folks with Hannity. DIdn't really listen because well y'know.

But then, just before the top of the hour, they show W showing Hannity around his room of paintings at the Bush Center. It was more fascinating than any part of the speech was. W and this painting kick, its i mean i don't know what to think about it. he's not good but it sure seems like he tries really hard at it. but at the same time, he sounds kind of off. wonder if he's on the weed again. at one point he said about his largest painting "all these soldiers in uniform are...well...uniform!" he's def tippin a bowl over now and again.

by **pacino** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 07:58:27

i really hope Pocahontas Warren and Fake tears Schumer heed President Mr Trump's call to put aside pettiness and get things done.

by **thephan** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 08:42:55

The speech was as I expected. Some red meat for the base and reinforcement of objectives. It was lighter in substance than I had hoped, but there will never be any substance from this administration directly as its leader works in 140 characters and sound bites. Because he stayed reigned in, I'd give him an A for effort, and a C for execution with a D- for usefulness.

I liked Ryan laugh about the wall behind him. There is no way to manage debt, take on audacious projects (loved how it was said that the infrastructure was left to rot in the past w/o recognizing that was via his party's obstructions), and cut taxes for everyone (recall that businesses are people too now).

The first speech out of the gate is always more reinforcement of message, and that is what you got. It was nothing great. It failed to meet the build up and chorus of striving for 'unity' because it was colored with some of his ugly campaign rhetoric that got a fresh coat of paint. It is important to see what happens next to include an actual investigation in to the Russia affair, that battle over entitlements (insurance for everyone on the cheap whereas the speaker called said that insurance is an entitlement on the block), promises of job and economic growth (not that fact bending he touted), and a looming showdown over what the military realistically needs (there are needs, but the focus over big projects to put a name on versus replacement parts to keep our forces ready will be interesting).

Buckle up.

by **CalvinBall** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 09:25:44

Maddow made a good point last night regarding why Trump did not speak about the pathway to citizenship or however it was mentioned earlier that day in the off/on the record lunch.

She said basically, it is pretty likely that he is completely absent from policy making. He heard that idea, thought it was a decent one, came back to Bannon/Miller/etc., and they told him that was not their policy. Thus it was not put in the speech.

by **pacino** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 09:39:07

Matt Yglesias calls it 'playing president'. Trump wants to play president while Bannon and Priebus be president. That governing stuff is too complicated.

by **RichmondPhilsFan** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 09:39:52

JFLNYC wrote:
Youseff wrote:didn't watch but how did he reconcile clean air and clean water with cuts to the EPA?

He didn't even attempt it.

Watching the Scott Pruitt interview with Wolf Blitzer yesterday evening was maddening. Pruitt is a very skillful dissembler. He'll probably end up being the most damaging of the Cabinet appointments. Hopefully the Sierra Club, et al., can use the courts to slow up some of these regulatory rollbacks.

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