Grotewold wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:Trump also indicated that the threats may have come from "the reverse" or "to make others look bad"

Let's definitely err on that side

He's got as much proof of that assertion as he did for Obama being born outside the U.S.

slugsrbad wrote:So PA AG Shapiro was amont several state AGs who met with Trump this morning, according to Anna Orso (a reporter for BillyPenn.com, whatever that is), Shapiro told her that he brought up the JCC bomb threats and cemetery desecration, Trump said he would address that tonight, Trump also indicated that the threats may have come from "the reverse" or "to make others look bad", Shapiro said that Trump stopped short of saying his supporters are being framed, but seems to think that's what POTUS meant.

Billy Penn is a solid news outlet in philadelphia. I've actually emailed Anna Orso before.

JFLNYC wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:Trump also indicated that the threats may have come from "the reverse" or "to make others look bad"

Let's definitely err on that side

He's got as much proof of that assertion as he did for Obama being born outside the U.S.

Or the five million people that voted illegally. Or any of the other hundred bogus claims he and/or his buddies have made over the past six weeks.

Ugh, Youseff I said he's not one of History's greatest monsters, that is reserved for actual monsters, the Lenin's, Stalin's, Polpot's, Hitlers etc etc. I never said he was a decent President or anything, man was an incompetent boob, but he was still better than Drumpf.

slugsrbad wrote:So PA AG Shapiro was amont several state AGs who met with Trump this morning, according to Anna Orso (a reporter for BillyPenn.com, whatever that is), Shapiro told her that he brought up the JCC bomb threats and cemetery desecration, Trump said he would address that tonight, Trump also indicated that the threats may have come from "the reverse" or "to make others look bad", Shapiro said that Trump stopped short of saying his supporters are being framed, but seems to think that's what POTUS meant.

pretty nefarious of Jews to be behind their own bomb threats

etched Chaos wrote:Ugh, Youseff I said he's not one of History's greatest monsters, that is reserved for actual monsters, the Lenin's, Stalin's, Polpot's, Hitlers etc etc. I never said he was a decent President or anything, man was an incompetent boob, but he was still better than Drumpf.

Before slugsrbad comes in and thought polices this thread, I'll say lying to get into the Iraq war is the defining foreign policy exercise in America post Vietnam. We're still feeling the repercussions of it and we likely will be for our entire lives. There's no likely exit in the foreseeable future, and the cost to Americans is in the trillions, potentially tens of trillions in the next couple decades. That is money that could be spent on bridges, roads, healthcare and clean drinking water ala Flint. That in itself is disastrous, but the main reason I'd say he's a monster is the cost of human life in the middle east. It's in the low hundreds of thousands by conservative counts, and high hundreds of thousands by other counts. Either number is barbaric, especially when you consider that their murders were a result of blatant lies to the American public and the world at large. There's a very direct path between GW saying God told him to go to war, calling it a crusade, and the deaths of people in the middle east. It's not a circuitous path.

That doesn't even take into consideration the impact that the vacuum created, namely ISIS and all of the horrible repercussions and reverberations that's caused around the world.

Youseff wrote:

etched Chaos wrote:Ugh, Youseff I said he's not one of History's greatest monsters, that is reserved for actual monsters, the Lenin's, Stalin's, Polpot's, Hitlers etc etc. I never said he was a decent President or anything, man was an incompetent boob, but he was still better than Drumpf.

Before slugsrbad comes in and thought polices this thread, I'll say lying to get into the Iraq war is the defining foreign policy exercise in America post Vietnam. We're still feeling the repercussions of it and we likely will be for our entire lives. There's no likely exit in the foreseeable future, and the cost to Americans is in the trillions, potentially tens of trillions in the next couple decades. That is money that could be spent on bridges, roads, healthcare and clean drinking water ala Flint. That in itself is disastrous, but the main reason I'd say he's a monster is the cost of human life in the middle east. It's in the low hundreds of thousands by conservative counts, and high hundreds of thousands by other counts. Either number is barbaric, especially when you consider that their murders were a result of blatant lies to the American public and the world at large. There's a very direct path between GW saying God told him to go to war, calling it a crusade, and the deaths of people in the middle east. It's not a circuitous path.

That doesn't even take into consideration the impact that the vacuum created, namely ISIS and all of the horrible repercussions and reverberations that's caused around the world.

I mean, is he on the Mount Rushmore of global scourges? No. But he's already going down as one of the most damaging Presidents in US history, and it's not even close. That's remarkable to be able to draw that conclusion within less than a decade of his two terms.

And the almost running our economy and country off of the cliff thing. Some of the conditions for that had been percolating a long time, I know, but he was extraordinarily simple minded and strident about home ownership and unfettered capitalism

give the guy a chance

Honestly, I was pretty hard on him while he was in office, and even I didn't realize how bad he'd been until probably 2011 or so.

Things were going great until Obama came along.

@WSJPolitics wrote:Of 549 administration positions requiring Senate confirmation:
Confirmed: 15
Nominated: 18
No one nominated: 516

Remember that if Trump whines about Democrats dragging their feet tonight.

part of the not filling positions is a deliberate attempt to handicap government and its functioning so they can justify further cuts by pointing to "inefficiency and waste"

I expect in 2 months anyone who tries to post this will be sent to concentration camps.

sorry for defiling this thread with an atrocious dinesh d'souza tweet, but FLOTUS just looks too damn good in this photo to not share:

@DineshDSouza
Oh, oh. But does she get to do it because she's black? #Kellyanne

To recycle a joke I made on FB, W. would be relatable if it wasn't for all those war crimes

Well that's nice and racist. Was that a piece of furniture in the Oval Office? Or just somewhere else? I doubt the author knows.

td11 wrote:sorry for defiling this thread with an atrocious dinesh d'souza tweet, but FLOTUS just looks too damn good in this photo to not share:

she's looking good, but something funny about her right forearm there.

Plus THAT's how a lady curls up in a chair. Not like a 7-year-old goth orphan. D'Souza gets everything wrong

plenty of Rs are clueless about health policy, but the craziest guy is not really an R, and he's supposedly a doctor of some kind: Rand Paul. His "understanding" of health coverage in the US is....not at all understandable, to anyone

drsmooth wrote:

td11 wrote:sorry for defiling this thread with an atrocious dinesh d'souza tweet, but FLOTUS just looks too damn good in this photo to not share:

she's looking good, but something funny about her right forearm there.

Plus THAT's how a lady curls up in a chair. Not like a 7-year-old goth orphan. D'Souza gets everything wrong

Also, she, you know, lived there.