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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby slugsrbad » Sun Feb 26, 2017 20:45:00

So huge increase to defense, sharp cut to a lot of domestic spending according to leaks of the budget outline coming tomorrow.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby pacino » Sun Feb 26, 2017 20:55:11

slugsrbad wrote:So huge increase to defense, sharp cut to a lot of domestic spending according to leaks of the budget outline coming tomorrow.

That's called populism
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby smitty » Sun Feb 26, 2017 21:11:41

We need a huge increase in defense spending. Having a bigger military than the next eleven or twelve combined. Plus, our shit is really good. Have you ever seen what an M1A1 tank can do to a Russian tank? That you should see.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby The Savior » Sun Feb 26, 2017 21:29:42

lol shocking. Assumed 2.4% GDP growth.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby td11 » Sun Feb 26, 2017 23:26:24

@glennthrush
White House will release a budget outline Monday w/ big defense hikes and "jaw-dropping" cuts to EPA, State & other agencies, per 4 SAOs.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Feb 27, 2017 00:10:21

It's a good thing government doesn't create jobs, otherwise a lot of people would be losing them.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby drsmooth » Mon Feb 27, 2017 00:12:18

td11 wrote:@glennthrush
White House will release a budget outline Monday w/ big defense hikes and "jaw-dropping" cuts to EPA, State & other agencies, per 4 SAOs.



NYTimes is reporting no mention of cuts to SS/Medicare. My guess is drumpf's idea is to let Ryan, Price et al pull a revenue-neutral rabbit out of their hat, and see who if anyone applauds
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby drsmooth » Mon Feb 27, 2017 00:48:26

another of drumpf's rich guy noms decides to say "ah fuck it" to public service: his choice for head of the Navy, Phil Bilden

must be none of that sweet drumpf budget gravy was gonna be poured into boats....
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 27, 2017 01:22:10

Holywood liberals so used to fake news that they have fake Best Picture winners. SAD!

/guesses at Trump's tweets tomorrow morning

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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 27, 2017 08:18:20

I don't know who Robert Wasinger is, but he seems to have been deployed to try to blur the line on the Russia thing. Apparently his spin is that this is an inside job to defame Trump. Then goes with the favorite attack angle of blaming government agencies and saying that they are who needs to be investigated because they are committing crimes.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 27, 2017 08:27:08

Youseff wrote:really glad that Bannon, Jared Kushner & Trump with all of their foreign policy experience were able to make time in their dinner plans to execute this botched Yemen raid.

The father of William "Ryan" Owens, the Navy SEAL Team 6 member who was the first US combat death during US President Donald Trump's presidency in January, urged the Trump administration to not "hide behind my son's death" and provide answers.

In an interview with the Miami Herald, Bill Owens, also a Navy veteran, called for an investigation into the raid that left his son, an eight-year-old girl, and as many as 29 civilians dead.

US military sources told Reuters that the fledgling Trump administration executed the raid "without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations."


Well, they will need to check Bill's MOS to see if he is a plant from those other bad agencies and departments to see if they can blame him.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 27, 2017 08:39:32

So if you take away the mortgage credit it makes homes boat anchors (I assume that there is some provision for businesses to own property to preserve REITs and creating that long desired Sierf class for the American Oligarchs). How would that effect those farmers who are howling about the inheritance/estate tax? I have found most of those worried have little to no idea what tax is, and at what point it starts to kick in. For completeness, that amount is almost $5.5M*. If you plan your estate even a little, that could mean that married couples could be named for close to $11M in inheritance without tax implications.

*Most relatively simple estates (cash, publicly traded securities, small amounts of other easily valued assets, and no special deductions or elections, or jointly held property) do not require the filing of an estate tax return. A filing is required for estates with combined gross assets and prior taxable gifts exceeding $1,500,000 in 2004 - 2005; $2,000,000 in 2006 - 2008; $3,500,000 for decedents dying in 2009; and $5,000,000 or more for decedent's dying in 2010 and 2011 (note: there are special rules for decedents dying in 2010); $5,120,000 in 2012, $5,250,000 in 2013, $5,340,000 in 2014, $5,430,000 in 2015, $5,450,000 in 2016, and $5,490,000 in 2017.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 27, 2017 08:51:06

NSAdvisor HR says Radical Islam/Muslim tag is bad. Its bad for all the reasons that we know about it empowering the message of the enemy, and painting the US into a corner as bigot/racist/zelots, etc.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 27, 2017 08:55:18

people in a town that voted trump are surprised to learn deporting people affects people

also, ICE agents have full on boners now
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Feb 27, 2017 09:22:06

pacino wrote:people in a town that voted trump are surprised to learn deporting people affects people

also, ICE agents have full on boners now


I can't be too angry at the people on the immigration issue because Trump's rhetoric was always about "bad hombres" and terrorism. If you had someone in your community that was undocumented, but by all accounts a stand up community guy, you wouldn't think he would get swept up in that fervor. NYT's The Daily podcast covered the issue/article too, if you don't feel like reading words.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 27, 2017 09:23:20

Anyone mention Spencer grabbing staff phones? Including personal phones?
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 27, 2017 09:29:42

slugsrbad wrote:
pacino wrote:people in a town that voted trump are surprised to learn deporting people affects people

also, ICE agents have full on boners now


I can't be too angry at the people on the immigration issue because Trump's rhetoric was always about "bad hombres" and terrorism. If you had someone in your community that was undocumented, but by all accounts a stand up community guy, you wouldn't think he would get swept up in that fervor. NYT's The Daily podcast covered the issue/article too, if you don't feel like reading words.

if they didnt know this guy many of these same people would be lumping him in with the 'bad dudes', ESPECIALLY that guy that was interviewed on The Daily
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby pacino » Mon Feb 27, 2017 09:34:11

the neoliberals over at 538 proclaim Perez a progressive who wants to focus on a 50 state strategy:

But Perez’s win deals an undeniable morale blow to the Sanders-supporting wing of the Democratic Party, which feels that the party’s loss in November was something of a referendum on the status quo. Nina Turner, a prominent Sanders-turned-Ellison surrogate, told The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel that if Ellison lost, “the future of the Democratic Party will walk away.”

The argument from the party’s Sanders wing was that Ellison was the best choice to put forth a message of progressivism that would reinvigorate the party’s base, implying that Perez was something of an establishment centrist. But Perez and Ellison laid out essentially identical visions for the party during the DNC race. Both called for a more decentralized organization that placed greater emphasis on the particular political climates and needs of each state, better candidate recruitment, and well-honed messages of economic populism that would speak to the party’s traditional base and beyond.

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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Feb 27, 2017 09:52:34

pacino wrote:
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pacino wrote:people in a town that voted trump are surprised to learn deporting people affects people

also, ICE agents have full on boners now


I can't be too angry at the people on the immigration issue because Trump's rhetoric was always about "bad hombres" and terrorism. If you had someone in your community that was undocumented, but by all accounts a stand up community guy, you wouldn't think he would get swept up in that fervor. NYT's The Daily podcast covered the issue/article too, if you don't feel like reading words.

if they didnt know this guy many of these same people would be lumping him in with the 'bad dudes', ESPECIALLY that guy that was interviewed on The Daily


Right, I think you can feel empathy for their personal story and how their co-worker in friend got wrapped up in the immigration order, while also smacking them upside the head and saying their ignorance and underlying racism is what caused the situation.
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Re: POLITICS THREAD boo

Postby slugsrbad » Mon Feb 27, 2017 09:54:13

pacino wrote:the neoliberals over at 538 proclaim Perez a progressive who wants to focus on a 50 state strategy:

But Perez’s win deals an undeniable morale blow to the Sanders-supporting wing of the Democratic Party, which feels that the party’s loss in November was something of a referendum on the status quo. Nina Turner, a prominent Sanders-turned-Ellison surrogate, told The Washington Post’s Dave Weigel that if Ellison lost, “the future of the Democratic Party will walk away.”

The argument from the party’s Sanders wing was that Ellison was the best choice to put forth a message of progressivism that would reinvigorate the party’s base, implying that Perez was something of an establishment centrist. But Perez and Ellison laid out essentially identical visions for the party during the DNC race. Both called for a more decentralized organization that placed greater emphasis on the particular political climates and needs of each state, better candidate recruitment, and well-honed messages of economic populism that would speak to the party’s traditional base and beyond.

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I'm tired of a non-party member trying to direct the party. I understand that Sen. Sanders needed to run on the Democrat flag for POTUS, because he needed to use the beast as much as he could stomach. He lost and it's over. If he really wants to make a change, start with the I to a D. Either that, or give what your hardcore bros want, a new party.
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