Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:19:25

Donald Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast wrote:I want to just pray for Arnold if we can, for those ratings."
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:20:14

jamiethekiller wrote:propecia also has that side effect of making people uncontrollably angry


So does Trump.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:22:58

slugsrbad wrote:
Donald Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast wrote:I want to just pray for Arnold if we can, for those ratings."

this is from Three Corinthians
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby thephan » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:23:55

Sorry, I was too slow...

@RealDonny - Seriously, he said 'lets pray for Schwarzenegger on The Apprentice'. If you can't make shit up, wait for Donald to speak or tweet.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:24:08

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:If Trump keeps up the current pace, we might actually see a gain in the Senate after all.


it would have to be super bad for that to happen

25 of the 34 seats up for senate are dems or caucus with dems are some of those are obviously shaky to stay dem or caucus dem (Montana, Maine, Indiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Ohio, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Florida)
of the nine remaining GOP senate seats you have:

MIssissippi- never
Texas- never
Nebraska- never
Tennesee- never
Utah- never
Wyoming- never
Alabama (special election)-never

only ones they'd have any shot at

Arizona (still a long shot)
Nevada (best chance)


honestly, the economy and/or new war issues would have to be bad for the dems to gain instead of lose
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:24:26

pacino wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
Donald Trump at the National Prayer Breakfast wrote:I want to just pray for Arnold if we can, for those ratings."

this is from Three Corinthians


It's from Three Stooges.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby thephan » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:31:14

If we keep this rate we might get a single political thread opened and closed @ 50 in one day.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby thephan » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:34:15

I am sure some of you realize that the problematic Yemen raid was blamed on Obama. I love this accountability.

\For the record, as we do not know any outcomes of the operation except our loss and propaganda from the enemy, it cannot be branded a failure as that is too broad and encompassing a term.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby Phred » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:38:29

thephan wrote:I am sure some of you realize that the problematic Yemen raid was blamed on Obama. I love this accountability.

\For the record, as we do not know any outcomes of the operation except our loss and propaganda from the enemy, it cannot be branded a failure as that is too broad and encompassing a term.


I am curious how they spun this to blame Obama for a raid that Drumpf approved.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby traderdave » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:42:36

I know it has only been two years, I mean, two weeks, but has this Administration done a single thing so far to help the middle class and/or impoverished, ya know, a lot of the people that elected him? All I keep seeing/hearing are lies, sabre-rattling, more lies, harried executive orders, a few more lies and moves to benefit big business.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby Phred » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:43:19

CalvinBall wrote:Also, in other bigger news Trump's first ordered operation was a disaster because he did not have sufficient intelligence or any ground support of back up plan in place. So that's why a girl and a SEAL died. Ho hum.


My facebook feed was littered with people praising Drumpf as a great guy for going to visit the family of the SEAL.

I doubt that many are rethinking knowing that the SEAL and the girl could still be alive if he didn't act so rashly.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:46:19

Phred wrote:
thephan wrote:I am sure some of you realize that the problematic Yemen raid was blamed on Obama. I love this accountability.

\For the record, as we do not know any outcomes of the operation except our loss and propaganda from the enemy, it cannot be branded a failure as that is too broad and encompassing a term.


I am curious how they spun this to blame Obama for a raid that Drumpf approved.


Initially reported that this raid was planned in the waning days of the Obama administration, follow-up reports quickly quashed that.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby traderdave » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:46:35

slugsrbad wrote:
U.S. Central Command said in a statement that an investigating team had "concluded regrettably that civilian non-combatants were likely killed" during Sunday's raid. It said children may have been among the casualties.

Central Command said its assessment "seeks to determine if there were any still-undetected civilian casualties in the ferocious firefight."

U.S. military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger than expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15G5RX


Goodness, you read this story and you are immediately reminded of Black Hawk Down.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:47:37

Phred wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Also, in other bigger news Trump's first ordered operation was a disaster because he did not have sufficient intelligence or any ground support of back up plan in place. So that's why a girl and a SEAL died. Ho hum.


My facebook feed was littered with people praising Drumpf as a great guy for going to visit the family of the SEAL.

I doubt that many are rethinking knowing that the SEAL and the girl could still be alive if he didn't act so rashly.


Yea.. I wanted to respond to them, but I didn't want to politicize the death more, especially because I knew the responses would have been BENGHAZI or the like.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:47:54

delve into the mind of Steve Bannon:
BANNON: You saw these guest workers. You saw the CIS report yesterday. You saw that, what is it, 61 million? Isn’t the beating heart of this problem, the real beating heart of it, of what we gotta get sorted here, is not illegal immigration? As horrific as that is, and it’s horrific, don’t we have a problem, we’ve looked the other way on this legal immigration that’s kinda overwhelmed the country? When you look and there’s got 61 million, 20 percent of the country, is immigrants — is that not a massive problem? You were with Jeff Sessions for many, many years. Is that not the beating heart of this problem?

he will take a few nuggets of truth (do we give out too many H1B visas?) and then say the heart of hte problem is 60 million immigrants. BTW, there are 42 million immigrants, not 60 million, and there are about 25 million employed immigrants and account for about 17% of the workforce.

They also don't appear to be STEALING OUR MONEY too much:

In 2014, approximately 53 percent of immigrants in the United States had private health insurance (compared to 68 percent of the native born) and 27 percent had public health insurance coverage (compared to 34 percent of the native born). Slightly more than one-quarter (27 percent) were uninsured, compared to 9 percent of the native born.


Food for thought:
Of the more than 1 million new LPRs in 2014, 41 percent were immediate relatives of U.S. citizens, 23 percent entered through a family-sponsored preference, and 15 percent via an employment-based preference. Another 13 percent adjusted from refugee or asylee status, and 5 percent were diversity-lottery winners.


Temporary workers and trainees, as well as their spouses and children, accounted for 3.4 million admissions (about 5 percent of total I-94 admissions). This group includes H-1B "specialty occupation" workers, registered nurses, temporary agricultural workers, North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) professional workers, treaty traders, and intracompany transferees.

Students who entered the United States to study at academic or vocational institutes made up about 2 percent (close to 1.8 million) of arrivals. This figure includes their family members and excludes exchange visitors.

According to the most recently available DHS estimates, as of January 1, 2012, about 1.9 million foreign nationals on various temporary visas* resided in the United States. Of those, 45 percent were temporary workers and their families, followed by foreign students and their families (38 percent). Fifty-two percent of the 1.9 million temporary visa holders were from Asia. Another quarter came from Europe and North America. The top five countries of origin—India, China, South Korea, Canada, and Mexico—accounted for 54 percent of all residents on temporary visas.


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we are trying to find a problem where there isn't one. this isn't killing our economy. it isn't taking away jobs from Americans. they're not criminals that are mooching off the government. it's just not the case. But the guy pulling the strings of the President of the United States thinks it's all the HEART of the 'problem'.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby thephan » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:56:21

slugsrbad wrote:
Phred wrote:
thephan wrote:I am sure some of you realize that the problematic Yemen raid was blamed on Obama. I love this accountability.

\For the record, as we do not know any outcomes of the operation except our loss and propaganda from the enemy, it cannot be branded a failure as that is too broad and encompassing a term.


I am curious how they spun this to blame Obama for a raid that Drumpf approved.


Initially reported that this raid was planned in the waning days of the Obama administration, follow-up reports quickly quashed that.


Oh no, it is reported clearly that it was planned at the end of big O's administration waiting for a preferred moonless night. That seems like a sound strategy, and it was accepted. What happens next is where something happened that is not currently explainable. Was it fully vetted, what changes occurred, where were there new gaps not previously know, etc. Given that it was brought up, at all, in a context that this had anything to do with Obama is the start of assigning blame and avoiding accountability.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:05:13

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slugsrbad wrote:Trump is such a petty, vindictive bitch, that I'm afraid of using the political capital against Gorsuch. Can you imagine the insane choice he may place to replace RBG if she doesn't make it to 2020?
political capital doesn't exist anymore. there are two options...filibuster forever and make mitch go nuclear or give in and get to the same place if we need to replace an RBG or Kennedy. if we're nice here and fight in 2018 or 2019 they'll just go nuclear then.

I think you're mostly right here, as there doesn't seem to be a finite amount of political capital to spend over a term. Everything careens from issue to issue, and there doesn't seem to be a ton of carryover. Between sending signals to their base that they're willing to fight Trump and it's always easier when the other side breaks some institutional norm so you don't have to when it's your turn, I don't think filibustering is a bad option overall. They'll have a bit of trouble because some of the red state Dems up in 2018 will make noise clamoring for a vote, so it won't be a clear partisan fight, but that won't be the main story.

Where it might backfire is circumstances could change that makes it impossible for McConnell to trigger the nuclear option on future nominees, while he doesn't look likely to have that problem on this one. Collins seems to be the most likely to oppose it now, but all signs point to them being able to get to 51 if need be. If a future nominee is more controversial, if a GOP member passes away or resigns, if the GOP loses seats in 2018 (unlikely, but who knows), etc. we might end up in a place where McConnell can't get a majority on it. This isn't something that's more likely than not to happen, but it's feasible, and Dems might do well to have this in their back pocket in case a seat comes open that would change the balance of the court.

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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby thephan » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:16:44

Steve Bannon thinks there’s “no doubt” the US is headed for war in the South China Sea

PtK will not like that this is from a modern source, but there it is none the less.
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby pacino » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:22:09

get off that, my friend!
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Re: Gorsuch a Fascist, Mr. Trump - Politics Threat

Postby td11 » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:24:47

as it turns out, this thread title is uncannily accurate

Supreme Court Justice nominee Neil Gorsuch founded and led a student group called the ‘Fascism Forever Club’ at his elite high school, DailyMail.com can reveal.
The club was set up to rally against the ‘left-wing tendencies’ of his professors while attending a Jesuit all-boys preparatory high school near Washington D.C.

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Gorsuch founded the ‘Fascism Forever Club’ during his freshman year at Georgetown Preparatory, a now-$30,000-a-year private Jesuit school that is one of the most selective in the United States.




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