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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jan 31, 2017 08:29:33

I believe he is of the thought (correctly) that she works at the pleasure of the POTUS and he is well within his right to fire her. This firing is not quite to the level of Nixon levels of paranoia, but this happened 10 days into office. A clear sign (along with what Spicer said) that you either kiss the ring, keep your silence, or get out.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jan 31, 2017 08:32:44

Trump formally announces continued enforcement of 2014 EO which protects employees from anti-LBGTQ workplace discrimination.

Paranoid thought - tested the balloon on the batshit rumor yesterday, got slapped the fuck down, talked down Pence, and re-enforced the EO

Rational thought - the rumors were the paranoia.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby thephan » Tue Jan 31, 2017 08:35:38

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby pacino » Tue Jan 31, 2017 08:38:36

how big was trump's boner when he fired her? his tiny little hands got so excited "OMG I GET TO DO THIS FOR REAL!!!!"

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby thephan » Tue Jan 31, 2017 08:42:29

Why isn't Britain on the travel ban? That was the most personal attack on America.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby The Savior » Tue Jan 31, 2017 08:58:42

Lots of "I assume" and "I imagine" in that article JH.

Also, not sure comparing to "standard practice" is currently relevant either.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby The Savior » Tue Jan 31, 2017 08:59:55

slugsrbad wrote:Trump formally announces continued enforcement of 2014 EO which protects employees from anti-LBGTQ workplace discrimination.

Paranoid thought - tested the balloon on the batshit rumor yesterday, got slapped the fuck down, talked down Pence, and re-enforced the EO

Rational thought - the rumors were the paranoia.


Or just waiting til Friday.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby The Savior » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:00:38

Tom and Bill likely asked them to wait until next weekend.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby TomatoPie » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:02:20

drsmooth wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:Holy #$!&@ he just relieved Sally Yates.


Holy #$!&@ I hope I chose the under on the date drumpf would be "resigned" from office


I set the line at 250 days. Def bet the under
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby pacino » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:04:03

long-time Syrian-Americans who are christian in Allentown back Trump's ban because SCARY and they got in so nah-nah-nah. OK, so I paraphrased a little:
"We're not by any means prejudiced against Islam. As long as you're a good human being, you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe. But the majority of the population over here are Christian Syrian," said Wehbey, who is regarded as a community leader. "Now they're bringing new elements from Syria, refugees shook by a religious war. They may have hate in their heart because of whatever happened to them."

"And we don't want to see a religious conflict over here," he added.

And why back Trump? BENGHAZI and ASSAD
Like other pro-Trump Syrian Americans in Allentown, Younes was frustrated by President Barack Obama's calls for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step down. Younes supported Obama and said he is "usually a liberal" but supported Trump during the election because of his stances on foreign policy. As a military veteran, Younes said, the controversy over the 2012 attack in Benghazi, Libya, soured him to Democrat Hillary Clinton's candidacy.)

Largely supportive of Assad's regime, many of Allentown's Syrian Christians have expressed skepticism that any moderate "rebels" in Syria exist, including the Free Syrian Army, with many emphasizing that they believe the rebels are hoping to covertly wage a religious war. There remains a strong sense among many of the Syrians in Allentown that Assad led the country reasonably and that things were going in the right direction before the civil war.

newer Syrian immigrants are less enthused:
A Syrian refugee who moved to the United States with his wife and six children 16 months ago and now lives in Allentown expressed gratitude to the United States and to the residents of his new home. Speaking on the condition of anonymity out of fear that the Trump administration might retaliate against him for talking to the media, he said he believes Americans do not fully understand the depth of the violence wrought by war.

When he still lived in Daraa, Syria, he was abducted by authorities one night from his bedroom and held for 37 days, he said. He described repeated beatings while he was detained. In his experience, Syrian Muslims and Christians have always gotten along well, but that all changed after the war started, and he blamed the Syrian government for stoking those tensions. But he said the tensions stay in Syria.

"Radical Muslims don't come to the United States," he said. "The people that are coming here are people looking for a better life."
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby pacino » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:04:57

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:16:07



This is both disheartening and slightly... uplifting? It's 10 days in and there are GOP Congresspeople willing to break ranks when Trump is egregious, which is comforting. What is infuriating that this was the easiest topic to come out and show backbone! For fuck sake, you could have criticized the implementation while gushing your commitment to extreme vetting. You could have kept being anti-Muslim while looking like you're a vertebrate! What more could you have asked for?
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby pacino » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:16:18

@reidepstein
Heitkamp a no on DeVos. Release notes: "95% of the almost 1,400 North Dakotans who contacted Heitkamp about DeVos opposed Devos nomination."
10:33 AM - 30 Jan 2017

Calls work for those who are swayable (take note for the future). You can push people to act the way you want (like I've been saying for almost 2 goddamn years).
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby TomatoPie » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:16:58

drsmooth wrote:if you're Sasse, Flake, McCain, Graham, Corker, Collins, Portman, maybe Heller, if you have any particle of affection remaining for your nation & its reputation - to say nothing of your own - you've gotta be wondering how much longer you can grin & bear it


All thru the primaries and then especially after Mein Dope won the nomination, I kept expecting that there were some actual patriots in the GOP who would stand up and say "no way" can we support this idiot. Hats off to Mitt and the Bushes - but every office holder with few exceptions has been a self-serving coward.

Does not give me hope that they will develop a spine, absent a miracle from Lenny Belardo
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:23:24

slugsrbad wrote:
td11 wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Hey y'all. IJM is collecting signatures for an online petition that urges Congress to appropriate the money that they promised to do in passing that bill a bunch of you called about last fall.

Here's the link if you are so inclined.

http://freedomcommons.ijm.org/action-al ... -name-line


signed

thanks for posting cal


I signed too, I didn't really read it too closely last night, but did it automatically email a script to my Senators?


thanks! (you too td!)

the goal is 100k signatures that will ultimately just be circulated to congress in the spring when all that money stuff starts to get decided.

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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:28:28

CalvinBall wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
td11 wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Hey y'all. IJM is collecting signatures for an online petition that urges Congress to appropriate the money that they promised to do in passing that bill a bunch of you called about last fall.

Here's the link if you are so inclined.

http://freedomcommons.ijm.org/action-al ... -name-line


signed

thanks for posting cal


I signed too, I didn't really read it too closely last night, but did it automatically email a script to my Senators?


thanks! (you too td!)

the goal is 100k signatures that will ultimately just be circulated to congress in the spring when all that money stuff starts to get decided.


Hm. I got an email from Sen. Casey's email thanking me for the email and to expect a response... I don't remember emailing him on my own.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby td11 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:32:07

pacino wrote:long-time Syrian-Americans who are christian in Allentown back Trump's ban because SCARY and they got in so nah-nah-nah. OK, so I paraphrased a little:
"We're not by any means prejudiced against Islam. As long as you're a good human being, you have the right to believe whatever you want to believe. But the majority of the population over here are Christian Syrian," said Wehbey, who is regarded as a community leader. "Now they're bringing new elements from Syria, refugees shook by a religious war. They may have hate in their heart because of whatever happened to them."

"And we don't want to see a religious conflict over here," he added.

And why back Trump? BENGHAZI and ASSAD
Like other pro-Trump Syrian Americans in Allentown, Younes was frustrated by President Barack Obama's calls for Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to step down. Younes supported Obama and said he is "usually a liberal" but supported Trump during the election because of his stances on foreign policy. As a military veteran, Younes said, the controversy over the 2012 attack in Benghazi, Libya, soured him to Democrat Hillary Clinton's candidacy.)

Largely supportive of Assad's regime, many of Allentown's Syrian Christians have expressed skepticism that any moderate "rebels" in Syria exist, including the Free Syrian Army, with many emphasizing that they believe the rebels are hoping to covertly wage a religious war. There remains a strong sense among many of the Syrians in Allentown that Assad led the country reasonably and that things were going in the right direction before the civil war.

newer Syrian immigrants are less enthused:
A Syrian refugee who moved to the United States with his wife and six children 16 months ago and now lives in Allentown expressed gratitude to the United States and to the residents of his new home. Speaking on the condition of anonymity out of fear that the Trump administration might retaliate against him for talking to the media, he said he believes Americans do not fully understand the depth of the violence wrought by war.

When he still lived in Daraa, Syria, he was abducted by authorities one night from his bedroom and held for 37 days, he said. He described repeated beatings while he was detained. In his experience, Syrian Muslims and Christians have always gotten along well, but that all changed after the war started, and he blamed the Syrian government for stoking those tensions. But he said the tensions stay in Syria.

"Radical Muslims don't come to the United States," he said. "The people that are coming here are people looking for a better life."


these are some of the worst people. disgusting that fellow immigrants can think like this about other immigrants
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby Luzinski's Gut » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:36:04

A quick thought or two about the Yates firing.

I am in favor of it.

My opinion is that you don't want Executive Branch bureaucrats - regardless of what "rank" or status they possess - becoming the sole determiner of national policy or law. The Executive Branch bureaucracy is already a shadow fourth branch of our Federal government, and within that framework, precedent matters a great deal.

So in the future, if a new Democratic President had an acting Republican AG who acted in the same manner as Yates, I would fully the firing of the AG for the same exact reason as I stated above.

Yates' decision plays well within the political arena if one is against Trump. From a process and precedent perspective, Trump had no choice.
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Re: You Get an Executive Order and You Get: A Politics Threa

Unread postby td11 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 09:40:59

i'm glad she gave him no choice and went out with a fuck you. this administration is breaking precedents and norms at a never before seen breakneck pace but, yeah, democrats should still be respectful of how things used to be done. fuck off

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