JUburton wrote:that whole yemen seal operation seems like it went very well! really hope this is just coincidence and not a new standard.

Youseff wrote:

JUburton wrote:that whole yemen seal operation seems like it went very well! really hope this is just coincidence and not a new standard.

killed a bunch of women and kids. just like Obama.

slugsrbad wrote:

Luzinski's Gut wrote:A quick thought or two about the Yates firing.

I am in favor of it.

My opinion is that you don't want Executive Branch bureaucrats - regardless of what "rank" or status they possess - becoming the sole determiner of national policy or law. The Executive Branch bureaucracy is already a shadow fourth branch of our Federal government, and within that framework, precedent matters a great deal.

So in the future, if a new Democratic President had an acting Republican AG who acted in the same manner as Yates, I would fully the firing of the AG for the same exact reason as I stated above.

Yates' decision plays well within the political arena if one is against Trump. From a process and precedent perspective, Trump had no choice.

I defer to your wisdom on a lot of things that are just outside of my ken, but I disagree with your assertion of the Attorney General's role. Their duties, among others, are to represent the US in legal matters and to furnish advice and opinions on legal matters, as provided by law. If the Attorney General feels that a federal law is unconstitutional, then it is well within their purview to write a memo regarding that issue.

As it has been stated previously, the AG serves at the pleasure of the President. It has also been argued (mainly by Jack Goldsmith of Lawfare blog, posted by JH) that the AG did not make the case that the EO was illegal or that there were no reasonable defenses to the legality. This may be true, but I think that merely shifts the argument from Yates was well within her bounds, to Yates was well within her bounds to argue its legality, but failed to do so.

What this does truly boil down to is the incompetency of the Trump administration. Yates was to serve probably less than a week more until the feet dragging on Sessions ended. Instead, he passed this questionable EO with very little input from his advisors and relevant congresspeople, and passed it while there was an AG that was not of his choosing. Yates got to be a martyr for the left, and Trump once again looked incompetent.

Youseff wrote:

JUburton wrote:that whole yemen seal operation seems like it went very well! really hope this is just coincidence and not a new standard.

killed a bunch of women and kids. just like Obama.

traderdave wrote:I don't give two shits how long Obama's DOE nominees spent testifying or how many questions they had to answer, I am concerned about THIS nominee. Alexander says he believes she is the most questioned DOE nominee in history; maybe that is because she is the most controversial and least qualified nominee.

jerseyhoya wrote:there was no way for her to remain in the job if she wasn't going to defend the order.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I haven't been following this thread, has this circus brought JH to the light yet?

thephan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I haven't been following this thread, has this circus brought JH to the light yet?

That would assume that he has been in the dark. I think he has been very transparent that he disagrees with the actions of the administration and the betrayal of the people pretending to be part of the GOP. If you are looking for conversion, then that would take something else. He is a good Republican dealing with a lot of bad faith invaders.

it’s becoming increasingly clear that the aroma of bigotry infuses the whole operation, and anybody who aligns too closely will end up sharing in the stench.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

thephan wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I haven't been following this thread, has this circus brought JH to the light yet?

That would assume that he has been in the dark. I think he has been very transparent that he disagrees with the actions of the administration and the betrayal of the people pretending to be part of the GOP. If you are looking for conversion, then that would take something else. He is a good Republican dealing with a lot of bad faith invaders.

I would prefer he was a democrat and the lines between the parties have arguably never been more blurred than now. I have a seat saved for him on the Dem bus.

Luzinski's Gut wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I disagree with your characterization of the travel ban as a minor issue, LG.

We did the same thing under the last two administrations.

My opinion: the admin has not provided the context on why this is so important that it was rammed through in an EO. There's plenty of solid logic why, resident in the Intel world. That's why the Obama administration created the tougher visa standards.

After 90 days, if nothing has changed, then I become much more concerned.

But I am not looking to change anyone's opinion. I can't. We're too polarized. Trying to maintain any sense of logic and objectivity is impossible today. I have friends who literally believe they are going to be deported because they are third generation Lebanese Americans.