Philly the Kid wrote:lots of questions and questioners



I never thought I'd post this dude!

This guy of course has a different agenda.

FTN wrote:if someone tries to blow up a plane i'm about to get on, and the FBI hears about it because they were illegally listening to telephone conversations, and they stop the plane from blowing up, i'll be pretty fucking happy about that.

jerseyhoya wrote:Canada to announce arrests after thwarting 'major terrorist attack'

Trent Steele wrote:As Mike Tyson once said, "Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth."

FTN wrote:and realistically, no one has any idea what the FBI, CIA, NCS are really doing. you get fragments of it exposed, but there are clandestine operations conducted that the public will never know about.

i'll be honest. im much more liberal than conservative on a lot of issues. i had a pretty big issue with the patriot act. but really, part of me doesnt want to know what the government is doing. it always reminds me of the scene from the sopranos series finale, when tony and harris are sitting in his car, and he says "we get these kinds of calls all the time".....im sure there have been tons of terrorist plots thwarted in the last 12 years, hell, the last 200 years, where the details never see the light of day. i've flown on an airplane over 60 times in the last 9 months. i dont really want to know what homeland security has found at logan in that timeframe. i just want to know they are finding everything they are supposed to. it freaks me out every time im in terminal c, knowing that is where united 175 left from on 9/11.

Barry Jive wrote:

FTN wrote:and realistically, no one has any idea what the FBI, CIA, NCS are really doing. you get fragments of it exposed, but there are clandestine operations conducted that the public will never know about.

i'll be honest. im much more liberal than conservative on a lot of issues. i had a pretty big issue with the patriot act. but really, part of me doesnt want to know what the government is doing. it always reminds me of the scene from the sopranos series finale, when tony and harris are sitting in his car, and he says "we get these kinds of calls all the time".....im sure there have been tons of terrorist plots thwarted in the last 12 years, hell, the last 200 years, where the details never see the light of day. i've flown on an airplane over 60 times in the last 9 months. i dont really want to know what homeland security has found at logan in that timeframe. i just want to know they are finding everything they are supposed to. it freaks me out every time im in terminal c, knowing that is where united 175 left from on 9/11.

It's natural to get paranoid about that stuff, but the lack of accountability of law enforcement to the people it purports to serve is a nationwide issue. So while I'm sympathetic to anyone who's terrified of something like last week's bombing happening on a more regular basis, it's concerning that an event like this often leads to people giving the investigative bodies involved as much slack as they ask for. Were people really mad about the Patriot Act? It wasn't all that long ago, but people are always willing to move the goalposts anytime another bomb goes off. I'm not one of the false flag lunatics but the reason those people exist is that our country flies into panic when something terrible happens.

Polar Bear Phan wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Canada to announce arrests after thwarting 'major terrorist attack'

It's obvious the truthers thwarted the government's secret plans on Friday and this is just another conspiracy concocted to declare martial law and take away our rights.

FTN wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:

FTN wrote:and realistically, no one has any idea what the FBI, CIA, NCS are really doing. you get fragments of it exposed, but there are clandestine operations conducted that the public will never know about.

i'll be honest. im much more liberal than conservative on a lot of issues. i had a pretty big issue with the patriot act. but really, part of me doesnt want to know what the government is doing. it always reminds me of the scene from the sopranos series finale, when tony and harris are sitting in his car, and he says "we get these kinds of calls all the time".....im sure there have been tons of terrorist plots thwarted in the last 12 years, hell, the last 200 years, where the details never see the light of day. i've flown on an airplane over 60 times in the last 9 months. i dont really want to know what homeland security has found at logan in that timeframe. i just want to know they are finding everything they are supposed to. it freaks me out every time im in terminal c, knowing that is where united 175 left from on 9/11.

It's natural to get paranoid about that stuff, but the lack of accountability of law enforcement to the people it purports to serve is a nationwide issue. So while I'm sympathetic to anyone who's terrified of something like last week's bombing happening on a more regular basis, it's concerning that an event like this often leads to people giving the investigative bodies involved as much slack as they ask for. Were people really mad about the Patriot Act? It wasn't all that long ago, but people are always willing to move the goalposts anytime another bomb goes off. I'm not one of the false flag lunatics but the reason those people exist is that our country flies into panic when something terrible happens.

this brings us to the next logical question to your response: what is appropriate? at what point does safety of the masses trump your individual rights as a citizen?

i have very unrefined views on all of this because i honestly dont know.

The first US citizen, Jose Padilla, was captured on US soil, originally detained with formal charges, accused of plotting a dirty bomb, and then brutally tortured until he was a human wreck. Eventually, the dirty bomb charges were dropped in the legal process. And there was a serious question about whether, after such brutal torture and isolation, he had been psychologically brutalized by his own government to the point of insanity.

Tsarnaev, in contrast, was formerly charged this morning, will be tried in a civilian court, go through due process, and face a weight of evidence against him.

This is why we elected Obama. To bring America back. To defend this country without betraying its core principles.

TenuredVulture wrote:There's no doubt, a lockdown, even if it's a request, is a major limitation on civil liberties. To evaluate it, you have to ask first, whether public safety outweighs the significant costs. And I have a hard time getting to yes on that. I just don't think a typical Bostonian would have been at an increased risk had they gone about their day. I'd think a significant snow storm is likely to be more dangerous. The other issue is whether the lockdown makes it easier to apprehend the suspect. On that question, I suspect the answer is yes, but I really don't know.

I believe that any real comprehensive immigration reform must implement strong national security protections. The facts emerging in the Boston Marathon bombing have exposed a weakness in our current system. If we don't use this debate as an opportunity to fix flaws in our current system, flaws made even more evident last week, then we will not be doing our jobs.

We should not proceed until we understand the specific failures of our immigration system. Why did the current system allow two individuals to immigrate to the United States from the Chechen Republic in Russia, an area known as a hotbed of Islamic extremism, who then committed acts of terrorism? Were there any safeguards? Could this have been prevented? Does the immigration reform before us address this?