Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby TenuredVulture » Sun Dec 16, 2012 23:02:37

Had an interesting conversation about all this with Lil' Vulture.

Also, one of my sister's good friends lost a husband and a sister on 9/11, and one thing she told my sister that was really hard was that she wasn't really able to mourn privately. So many strangers left casseroles at her doorstep she couldn't possibly eat all the food.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sun Dec 16, 2012 23:04:56

A father of one victim grew up in Berks County.

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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Barry Jive » Mon Dec 17, 2012 00:33:32

PhillieMooDo wrote:
pacino wrote:
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pacino wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:Catholic school kids generally go to catholic school because of at least one of the following reasons:

1) their parents give a #$!&@ where they go to school
2) their parents want to and conceivably are able to pay for their kids to go to what they perceive to be a better school
3) they want their kids to not just get an education, but to be a part of a community

There are probably more reasons than those three but that's just off the top of my head.

hmm, good points. it's much like what i always say about why gay parents are so good...because it's COMPLETELY voluntary for them to have kids. it's completely voluntary to put your kids in a private school, so you are obviously going to, on average, give a little more about the education they receive.

Not so sure I agree with this...for a lot of parents, sending your kids to a private/parochial school is just "what you do" , sometimes to the detrement of the education being received.

Pretty much every kid I went to grade school with wishes we had been at the public school next door. Those kids were getting a real education (enrichment, support, the works) while we were learning fiction taught as fact.

And plenty of public school parents "give a #$!&@" about where their children attend, that's why good school districts can help sell homes.

Recovering catholic here, and I'll say, with more than a little bias, that (at least in the eighties) catholic schools were #$!&@. They may have turned it around somewhat, but that's probably due to parents actually starting to understand and care about what's important in education, and forcing changes within those schools.

As for this story - my heart is absolutely sick. Just wish there was any "anwer" to this senselessness that we're seeing far too often lately. I don't have kids (want them), but I couldn't help but get choked up while watching this coverage. The suffering for about 20 sets of parents today is about as unimaginable as can be possible. Right before Christmas, gifts probably bought and wrapped...goddam. I'm getting worked up again, and I already went to the gym to "lift out" my anger. Don't think my joints can handle a round two.

i didnt mean to insinuate public school parents dont give a crap. sorry. my parents certainly did.

You didn't...the post you replied to did. No need to apologize.


sorry if you read it that way, but that's not what i said.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Eddie Jordan » Mon Dec 17, 2012 00:36:30

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... rvivor-her

Pastor Solomon went on to say on ABC News: "What did she see in there?"

"Well, she saw someone who she felt was angry and somebody who see felt was mad.

"How at 6 1/2 years old can you be that smart, that brave? I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years."


Am I wrong to be irritated by this? So God decided to step in and save one child in a classroom where every other child was slaughtered?
How does that play with the other parents that read that quote or hear that interview? I would tell that dude to go fuck himself.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby drsmooth » Mon Dec 17, 2012 00:49:31

Eddie Jordan wrote:http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121216/sandy-hook-shooting-girl-6-was-sole-survivor-her

Pastor Solomon went on to say on ABC News: "What did she see in there?"

"Well, she saw someone who she felt was angry and somebody who see felt was mad.

"How at 6 1/2 years old can you be that smart, that brave? I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years."


Am I wrong to be irritated by this? So God decided to step in and save one child in a classroom where every other child was slaughtered?
How does that play with the other parents that read that quote or hear that interview? I would tell that dude to go fuck himself.


Well, I believe I can see how you're reading it, but at the same time I doubt the padre intended to denigrate the lives of the girl's classmates. It seems like he's commenting on her dispassionate assessment of the murderer under the circumstances ("...it's impossible that a little girl could have that sort of non-judgmental insight outside of divine..."), rather than suggesting her survival was the result of divine intervention.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Shore » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:49:28

Not Adam Lanza's mom, but someone who's worried she might be, and can't get help:

http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/

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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Squire » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:58:47

I think with a tragedy so horrific as this, you are going to see alot of stupid stuff asked and stupid stuff said. Everyone wants to try to be the most profound. My plan is to just let it go.

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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Bill McNeal » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:27:15

Shore wrote:Not Adam Lanza's mom, but someone who's worried she might be, and can't get help:

http://thebluereview.org/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother/



That post may not be entirely representative of her situation. There are a bunch of updates an apologies amended to the posts, but its worth checking out IMO

http://sarahkendzior.com/2012/12/16/wan ... -her-blog/
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Soren » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:51:43

It was cool of the Prez to mention mental healthcare specifically. Don't know how many of you have experience with the system, but even in a crisis situation it isn't easy to get access to help; the costs are tremendously prohibitive. Usually the best providers don't work with insurance and the cheaper clinics/group practices are usually swamped, criminally understaffed etc.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Soren » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:57:38

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You know, I really hope she is as dead and miserable on the inside as she projects to be on the outside.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Fusilli Jerry » Mon Dec 17, 2012 13:02:48

It is ON. (Fair warning- you might want to turn your volume down for the last 15 or so seconds of it.)


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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Soren » Mon Dec 17, 2012 13:04:38

pacino wrote:one of the 6 year olds murdered gave her birthday money to a Hurricane Sandy fundraiser.


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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Dec 17, 2012 13:11:57

the boyfriend of one of the teachers two days prior to the shooting had asked her parents if he could propose on christmas.

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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Dec 17, 2012 13:31:41

westboro hate group blaming carrie underwood for this.

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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Dec 17, 2012 13:53:27

drsmooth wrote:
Eddie Jordan wrote:http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121216/sandy-hook-shooting-girl-6-was-sole-survivor-her

Pastor Solomon went on to say on ABC News: "What did she see in there?"

"Well, she saw someone who she felt was angry and somebody who see felt was mad.

"How at 6 1/2 years old can you be that smart, that brave? I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years."


Am I wrong to be irritated by this? So God decided to step in and save one child in a classroom where every other child was slaughtered?
How does that play with the other parents that read that quote or hear that interview? I would tell that dude to go #$!&@ himself.


Well, I believe I can see how you're reading it, but at the same time I doubt the padre intended to denigrate the lives of the girl's classmates. It seems like he's commenting on her dispassionate assessment of the murderer under the circumstances ("...it's impossible that a little girl could have that sort of non-judgmental insight outside of divine..."), rather than suggesting her survival was the result of divine intervention.

Well, he also said:
"Somehow in that moment, by God's grace, [she] was able to act as she was already deceased."


so I don't think Eddie Jordan's interpretation is far off at all. I hate when people say things like that. She survived because she was lucky and clever in a critical moment and somehow managed to resist the natural tendencies of a 7 y.o. Stop invoking God.

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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby philliesphhan » Mon Dec 17, 2012 14:16:24

Co-worker favorite Dennis Prager is saying today that the media never blames the murderer. Ugh, I wish Dennis would stop this tired, tired act for one day.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Dec 17, 2012 14:17:17

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Eddie Jordan wrote:http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121216/sandy-hook-shooting-girl-6-was-sole-survivor-her

Pastor Solomon went on to say on ABC News: "What did she see in there?"

"Well, she saw someone who she felt was angry and somebody who see felt was mad.

"How at 6 1/2 years old can you be that smart, that brave? I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years."


Am I wrong to be irritated by this? So God decided to step in and save one child in a classroom where every other child was slaughtered?
How does that play with the other parents that read that quote or hear that interview? I would tell that dude to go #$!&@ himself.


Well, I believe I can see how you're reading it, but at the same time I doubt the padre intended to denigrate the lives of the girl's classmates. It seems like he's commenting on her dispassionate assessment of the murderer under the circumstances ("...it's impossible that a little girl could have that sort of non-judgmental insight outside of divine..."), rather than suggesting her survival was the result of divine intervention.

Well, he also said:
"Somehow in that moment, by God's grace, [she] was able to act as she was already deceased."


so I don't think Eddie Jordan's interpretation is far off at all. I hate when people say things like that. She survived because she was lucky and clever in a critical moment and somehow managed to resist the natural tendencies of a 7 y.o. Stop invoking God.

Yes, a pastor should stop invoking god.

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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby Bill McNeal » Mon Dec 17, 2012 14:24:08

jerseyhoya wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Eddie Jordan wrote:http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121216/sandy-hook-shooting-girl-6-was-sole-survivor-her

Pastor Solomon went on to say on ABC News: "What did she see in there?"

"Well, she saw someone who she felt was angry and somebody who see felt was mad.

"How at 6 1/2 years old can you be that smart, that brave? I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years."


Am I wrong to be irritated by this? So God decided to step in and save one child in a classroom where every other child was slaughtered?
How does that play with the other parents that read that quote or hear that interview? I would tell that dude to go #$!&@ himself.


Well, I believe I can see how you're reading it, but at the same time I doubt the padre intended to denigrate the lives of the girl's classmates. It seems like he's commenting on her dispassionate assessment of the murderer under the circumstances ("...it's impossible that a little girl could have that sort of non-judgmental insight outside of divine..."), rather than suggesting her survival was the result of divine intervention.

Well, he also said:
"Somehow in that moment, by God's grace, [she] was able to act as she was already deceased."


so I don't think Eddie Jordan's interpretation is far off at all. I hate when people say things like that. She survived because she was lucky and clever in a critical moment and somehow managed to resist the natural tendencies of a 7 y.o. Stop invoking God.

Yes, a pastor should stop invoking god.


I agree with you jh. He is a man of faith, and this is an unthinkable tragedy. For some reason this little girl was spared, like a tornado blowing down your neighbors house and leaving yours untouched. No one knows why it happens, God's will is as good as any. It gives us a way to explain the unexplainable.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby philliesphhan » Mon Dec 17, 2012 14:28:40

I think the issue is it makes it seem like the rest of her entire class being slaughtered was cool with God though. I think if I was religious, I'd like to think he wanted them all to live, not that he picked out one girl to spare.
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Re: Sandy Hook Elementary, Newtown, CT Shooting

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Dec 17, 2012 14:41:17

jerseyhoya wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
drsmooth wrote:
Eddie Jordan wrote:http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/united-states/121216/sandy-hook-shooting-girl-6-was-sole-survivor-her

Pastor Solomon went on to say on ABC News: "What did she see in there?"

"Well, she saw someone who she felt was angry and somebody who see felt was mad.

"How at 6 1/2 years old can you be that smart, that brave? I think it's impossible outside of divine intervention. She has wisdom beyond her years."


Am I wrong to be irritated by this? So God decided to step in and save one child in a classroom where every other child was slaughtered?
How does that play with the other parents that read that quote or hear that interview? I would tell that dude to go #$!&@ himself.


Well, I believe I can see how you're reading it, but at the same time I doubt the padre intended to denigrate the lives of the girl's classmates. It seems like he's commenting on her dispassionate assessment of the murderer under the circumstances ("...it's impossible that a little girl could have that sort of non-judgmental insight outside of divine..."), rather than suggesting her survival was the result of divine intervention.

Well, he also said:
"Somehow in that moment, by God's grace, [she] was able to act as she was already deceased."


so I don't think Eddie Jordan's interpretation is far off at all. I hate when people say things like that. She survived because she was lucky and clever in a critical moment and somehow managed to resist the natural tendencies of a 7 y.o. Stop invoking God.

Yes, a pastor should stop invoking god.

You know that's not what I meant at all. But by invoking God and suggesting that God helped to spare this one girl, he implies that no such thing was done for the others. So now God made a choice and only graced one of the potential victims? Was this one child particularly more deserving than the others? Or God wasn't powerful enough to save more than one child?

Just say it was a miracle and be done with it. Don't try to be profound and ascribe meaning to an act of pure evil.

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