Roy Halladay

by **JFLNYC** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:28:09

So does he go back to his old arm slot or stay with the new one after surgery?

by **JFLNYC** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:28:28

BigEd76 wrote:Says a scope and a cleanup is a whole lot better than rotator cuff surgery and reattaching anything (up to 18 months)

Also better than amputation.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:28:37

Missanelli saying he had same injury - no big deal

by **Napalm** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:29:11

i feel relieved and optimistic. this was good to hear.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:29:14

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
Warszawa wrote:Interesting stuff. Wonder how this affects Rube
ns trade deadline plan

PTOITWCFTPP wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:good thing is they hopefully figured out whats wrong

bad thing is its gonna be mid August atleast before he comes back probably

It's like a trade deadline acquisition! /amaro

Right. Haha

by **BigEd76** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:30:40

JFLNYC wrote:So does he go back to his old arm slot or stay with the new one after surgery?

The one where he was melting faces 3 years ago

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:32:16

BigEd76 wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:So does he go back to his old arm slot or stay with the new one after surgery?

The one where he was melting faces 3 years ago

We're doing this

by **Eem** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:34:05

Napalm wrote:i feel relieved and optimistic. this was good to hear.

Agreed. Even if the Phillies fall out of it I'm just happy Halladay got some answers. Don't think I've ever felt this way about an athlete's injury/struggles before.

by **Monkeyboy** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:39:55

Gotta get that man a championship.

by **JUburton** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:41:16

Comes back in August, posts a 2.7 ERA, signs a 2/20 + 3rd year mutual and is 2014 WS MVP.

by **BigEd76** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:51:42

6abcadamjoseph
Roy Halladay will come back stronger, I had the same surgery and never felt better!

says the guy that runs and points at a weather map

by **jamiethekiller** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:52:47

if it didnt' hurt him then why was it affecting his mechanics?

by **danrosz** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:56:57

Eem wrote:
Napalm wrote:i feel relieved and optimistic. this was good to hear.

Agreed. Even if the Phillies fall out of it I'm just happy Halladay got some answers. Don't think I've ever felt this way about an athlete's injury/struggles before.

Did he? He said he has had this for years, though... I don't think it is any surprise that someone who has thrown as many pitches as he has fraying of the labrum. Unless the bone spur caused this big of a problem, this is still wear and tear stuff. A frayed labrum is essentially a tear. It's what eventually kills most pitchers.

Here's an article by Carroll in 2004:

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2004/05/labrum_it_nearly_killed_him.html

Things have gotten better in the last ten years, as indicated in the piece below, but it isn't great news:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php_articleid=16634

Clemens skews the numbers and that's probably bc he was on every PED out there.

by **JUburton** » Wed May 08, 2013 14:59:49

I think it seems like it's the bone spur that's causing the fraying. Remove the spur, fix/rest the fray and he should be fine.

by **Woody** » Wed May 08, 2013 15:03:06

The bone spur is causing small tears on his rotator cuff, which is what they're going to fix

The labrum issue in entirely separate and common for someone who throws balls over 90 mph well into their 30's

by **jamiethekiller** » Wed May 08, 2013 15:03:35

how come he was throwing 92 four starts ago and now can't get over 90 yet he's had this for 18 months.

by **smitty** » Wed May 08, 2013 15:06:20

I think this is what Savery had. It's not a SLAP tear from what you guys are saying.

But pitchers with shoulder problems can really break your heart.

by **FTN** » Wed May 08, 2013 15:10:09

hows his hip labrum? any chance of a graft/transplant?

by **danrosz** » Wed May 08, 2013 15:11:11

Woody wrote:The bone spur is causing small tears on his rotator cuff, which is what they're going to fix

The labrum issue in entirely separate and common for someone who throws balls over 90 mph well into their 30's

Yea... Hopefully, the lack of control was caused by the rotator cuff issue and that he comes back from that fine. Lack of control is often what pitchers with rotator cuff issues complain about... We shall see.

by **nycphils** » Wed May 08, 2013 15:14:22

Something to make you feel better about labrum recovery (from ESPN.com):

A series of injuries and a players' strike limited Schilling's action in 1994 and then, in 1995, a torn labrum required shoulder surgery. He had been pitching well during the season until a game against the Colorado Rockies on July 18, when his velocity suddenly dropped 10 miles per hour. By the next morning, he couldn't raise his arm above his head.

Schilling recovered from surgery to become an even more dominant pitcher. From 1997 to 1999, he was selected to all three All-Star teams. In 1997 he led the league in strikeouts with 319 in 254.1 innings, won 17 games, had a 2.97 ERA and finished fourth in Cy Young voting. In 1998 he led the league in strikeouts (300) again, as well as in complete games (15) and innings (268.2).

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