HALLADAY VIII: GUS IS SCRATCHNG LIKE A CHEAP JOHN

by **Houshphandzadeh** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 21:38:52

that's offensive

by **Bakestar** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 21:39:32

lol Canadia

by **cshort** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 21:47:02

FTN wrote:If I were Halladay, at this point, and Toronto tried to trade me this winter, I'd tell them to pound sand. He'll still get a huge contract when he hits FA after 2010, he'll get a chance to go to a contender and try to win a ring, and hes already made a fortune. Let Toronto have two draft picks.

What he might do is really turn the screws on them next year. Come the next trade deadline they may want to try and see if they can get better value than the picks. Wouldn't shock me if he limits the list to 1-2 teams.

by **FTN** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 01:03:30

by **bleh** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:42:15

Ricciardi shouldn’t survive Halladay debacle
:lol:

by **allentown** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 15:28:09

bleh wrote:Ricciardi shouldn’t survive Halladay debacle

Ricciardi bungled the Halladay trade, but I think he is actually pretty far ahead of the game in moving Rolen instead. I guess the owners would have preferred to move both. A tough situation when you have to move your expensive good guys to meet budget, because nobody willl even consider taking your more expensive crap. I'm going to guess a winter deal packaging Halladay and Rios/Wells and taking back 2/3 of the salary responsibility for Rios/Wells.

by **philliesphhan** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 15:41:01

They need to cut payroll. They're not gonna pay another team to have their players.

by **The Red Tornado** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 13:53:01

Blue Jays GM Confirms There Never Really Was A 'Roy Halladay'

by **BigEd76** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 14:11:14

Since the Lee trade: 0-2, 16 IP, 21 H (4 HR), 8 R (7 ER), 1 HBP, 0 BB, 11 K

by **The Red Tornado** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:18:23

SI article on how Ricciardi screwed the pooch

The Phillies gave up prospects Jason Knapp, Jason Donald, Carlos Carrasco and Lou Marson for Lee. But they offered even more for Halladay, even though he is to be paid over double what Lee is to get through 2010 ($22 million to $9 million) and the two pitchers have performed similarly since the beginning of 2008 (31-16 for Halladay, 30-12 for Lee). According to the Philadelphia Inquirer (and later confirmed by others), the Phillies offered J.A. Happ, Michael Taylor, Carrasco and Donald for Halladay. If that's not enough, it probably should have been close enough to work a deal.

by **lowcountry** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 14:59:30

My favorite writer, Joe Posnanski, chops JP into tiny little pieces and feeds him to his fishes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/08/12/worst.contracts/

1. Vernon Wells (Toronto Blue Jays). Cot's Baseball Contracts -- the incredibly awesome site where I got these numbers from -- is one of my favorite Internet stops. And on occasion, just for fun, I will go to the site just to look up Vernon Wells' contract. I don't know why. It gives me hope, somehow. It tells me that in this world, anything is possible. It tells me that good things happen, funny things, unexpected things. Don't tell me that I won't win the lottery ... just look at Vernon Wells' contract.

In 2011 Vernon Wells will get paid $23 million. No. Really. He will get paid $23 million.

In 2012 he will have to take a paycut and will only get $21 million. Same in 2013. And same again in 2014.

This isn't a baseball contract. This is a testament to the power of mankind to do the impossible.

by **JFLNYC** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 15:21:43

In fact, really, we should just start referring to bad baseball contracts as "Ricciardis."

by **VFB** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 00:32:49

Here's another paper for the JP Ricciardi personnel file: The Jays failed to sign three of their top four draft picks. This quote seems especially ridiculous coming from a man who completely misread the market for Roy Halladay(notes) a few weeks ago:

"There's a limit on everything," Ricciardi said on Tuesday. "Obviously, you just can't give everything that everybody wants. That wouldn't be good business."

Toronto was unable to come to terms with LHP James Paxton (No. 37 overall), LHP Jake Eliopoulos (no. 68) or RHP Jake Barrett (No. 99). The team will receive additional picks in next year's draft as compensation. Maybe that's where the Rios savings will be spent.

Also, I've been hearing negative comments towards Roy lately on TV, internet, real-life, some playful-some real. All because Cliff haz been throwing pretty well, and Roy is been unspectacular since being spurned by Rube. Just a reminder that he and Cliff are not mutually exclusive, Roy is still a GOD around here, and we have the goods and the payroll to get this done in the offseason. Roy's value will decrease with the passing of time, so any 3 of (drabek/brown/taylor/victorino) and a couple throw-ins will get it done. plus rios is gone, so they will be looking for an OF. I think Snider is more of a DH. so they're looking at (Lind/Wells/???) in 010!

by **BigEd76** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 00:41:47

A rotation with Halladay/Lee/Hamels would be unfair. I like it...

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 00:57:06

VFB wrote:Roy's value will decrease with the passing of time, so any 3 of (drabek/brown/taylor/victorino) and a couple throw-ins will get it done.

That's as costly as Drabek/Brown/Happ. Arguably costlier.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 00:59:03

VFB wrote:
Here's another paper for the JP Ricciardi personnel file: The Jays failed to sign three of their top four draft picks. This quote seems especially ridiculous coming from a man who completely misread the market for Roy Halladay(notes) a few weeks ago:

"There's a limit on everything," Ricciardi said on Tuesday. "Obviously, you just can't give everything that everybody wants. That wouldn't be good business."

Toronto was unable to come to terms with LHP James Paxton (No. 37 overall), LHP Jake Eliopoulos (no. 68) or RHP Jake Barrett (No. 99). The team will receive additional picks in next year's draft as compensation. Maybe that's where the Rios savings will be spent.

Also, I've been hearing negative comments towards Roy lately on TV, internet, real-life, some playful-some real. All because Cliff haz been throwing pretty well, and Roy is been unspectacular since being spurned by Rube. Just a reminder that he and Cliff are not mutually exclusive, Roy is still a GOD around here, and we have the goods and the payroll to get this done in the offseason. Roy's value will decrease with the passing of time, so any 3 of (drabek/brown/taylor/victorino) and a couple throw-ins will get it done. plus rios is gone, so they will be looking for an OF. I think Snider is more of a DH. so they're looking at (Lind/Wells/???) in 010!

There is NO WAY that I would now unload Drabek for Halladay. Riccardi can eat me.

by **lowcountry** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 08:23:19

mozartpc27 wrote:There is NO WAY that I would now unload Drabek for Halladay. Riccardi can eat me.

Yep. Sorry, JP. The Drabek boat has sailed. And I think the Happ, Taylor and Brown boats were right behind it.

by **SideshowBob** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 08:31:53

I like him -- a lot -- but I would trade Happ straight up for Halladay, maybe even tosssing in a (lesser) minor leaguer. That's about all I'd want the Phillies to give up at this point. Drabek doesn't even enter the conversation.

Hallady is a lot less valuable to the Phillies (or any team) if he's only acquired for one season/post-season.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 08:47:35

SideshowBob wrote:I like him -- a lot -- but I would trade Happ straight up for Halladay, maybe even tosssing in a (lesser) minor leaguer. That's about all I'd want the Phillies to give up at this point.

Yup. For all the (justifiable) shit JP has taken, in the end I actually don't think he did that bad of a job from the Blue Jays perspective judging by the results, although this is so only because he got a little lucky: he shed significant payroll by getting rid of Rolen and Rios, but he held on to the face of the franchise and the team's best player, Halladay. I would imagine that Halladay will remain a Blue Jay now until the end of his contract, to avoid fan rage as a long as possible.

That said, if Halladay were made available again, I probably would offer Happ + a couple of lower-tier minor leaguers, if only because the Phillies could field a rotation of

Halladay
Lee
Hamels
Blanton
Auction Winner/Moyer mop-up

and probably STILL win 95 games. You could finance the Halladay contract by auctioning off the 35 or so starts the fifth starter gets to 35 different wealthy fans, and have Moyer ready to follow the auction winner whenever things get out of hand. Think about it: BID FOR YOUR CHANCE TO BE A PHILLIE FOR A DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Woody** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 08:52:45

Is it even possible to afford Halladay+Lee+ pay raises next year?

That would be like a billionty dollar payroll, no?

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