#RedSox have told ppl they are trying to pull off something huge. Bigger than Halladay. Maybe V-Mart and Lee, as @nyp_joelsherman reported

http://twitter.com/ed_price/statuses/2880423984

Trent Steele wrote:

#RedSox have told ppl they are trying to pull off something huge. Bigger than Halladay. Maybe V-Mart and Lee, as @nyp_joelsherman reported

http://twitter.com/ed_price/statuses/2880423984

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I'm hearing V-MART, Lee, and Sizemore. For Buchholz and one of our prospects

kenrosenthal wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:

kenrosenthal wrote:

ek wrote:well espn just said the a's offered us duchsherer for Jason Donald

that cant be true whatsoever. we'd have to be giving up more than that

why? Duke hasnt even pitched this year and is a UFA in 3 months

dude for most of last year was being considered a cy young candidate AND they could get more than donald for him i would think.

and if he chooses to become a ufa, offer him arb, he might just take it

With 2 IP (minor leagues) this year? Before the deadline? FA at EOY? Beane would be thrilled to get Donald for that.

And FWIW, I love Duchscherer (when he's healthy of course).

kenrosenthal wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

#RedSox have told ppl they are trying to pull off something huge. Bigger than Halladay. Maybe V-Mart and Lee, as @nyp_joelsherman reported

http://twitter.com/ed_price/statuses/2880423984

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Woody wrote:I'm hearing V-MART, Lee, and Sizemore. For Buchholz and one of our prospects

Acid flashback.

If we work hard, we can get to Halladay VII tonight.

I liked Mitch Williams' comments on the pre-game show tonight..

He said if he was GM of the Phils, and his own son played on the Phillies, who he loved more than anything, he would say "see ya later son..I'm trading you for Halladay".

He said he would not hesitate in a second to give up Happ, Drabek, Brown, and whoever else Toronto wanted. He said a pitcher like this does not come around very often for a club to be able to get, and that for $15 million next season, he is a "bargain" considering that is what Derrick Lowe is making.

ek wrote:jeff passan yahoo sports

Now, at the price of J.A. Happ(notes), Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown – well, giving up a major league starter and the best pitcher and position player in the minor league system is ludicrous. What, you expected Ricciardi to aim low on his first go? Talks will pick up again this week, and an NL scout believes Ricciardi will settle for a package of either Happ and Brown or Drabek and outfielder Michael Taylor, plus two more prospects.

If JPR gets Drabek, Taylor and a couple of B prospects, he should be thrilled.

JFLNYC wrote:With 2 IP (minor leagues) this year? Before the deadline? FA at EOY? Beane would be thrilled to get Donald for that.

And FWIW, I love Duchscherer (when he's healthy of course).

donald to me is not an everyday player in mlb, i gladly make this trade. for how smart beane is, i cant believe he'd only want donald for this guy.

and yes i love duchscherer and he will be healthy in a month. and what if he stays. this guys pitched just a notch below halladay last year. to me, this is a no-brainer for the phils. i just dont understand why beane would do this.

threecount wrote:I liked Mitch Williams' comments on the pre-game show tonight..

He said if he was GM of the Phils, and his own son played on the Phillies, who he loved more than anything, he would say "see ya later son..I'm trading you for Halladay".

He said he would not hesitate in a second to give up Happ, Drabek, Brown, and whoever else Toronto wanted. He said a pitcher like this does not come around very often for a club to be able to get, and that for $15 million next season, he is a "bargain" considering that is what Derrick Lowe is making.

Mitch included about 16 strawmen in that argument

ek wrote:jeff passan yahoo sports

Now, at the price of J.A. Happ(notes), Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown – well, giving up a major league starter and the best pitcher and position player in the minor league system is ludicrous. What, you expected Ricciardi to aim low on his first go? Talks will pick up again this week, and an NL scout believes Ricciardi will settle for a package of either Happ and Brown or Drabek and outfielder Michael Taylor, plus two more prospects.

I may be in the minority, but I'd rather trade Happ/Brown than Taylor/Drabek.

threecount wrote:I liked Mitch Williams' comments on the pre-game show tonight..

He said if he was GM of the Phils, and his own son played on the Phillies, who he loved more than anything, he would say "see ya later son..I'm trading you for Halladay".

He said he would not hesitate in a second to give up Happ, Drabek, Brown, and whoever else Toronto wanted. He said a pitcher like this does not come around very often for a club to be able to get, and that for $15 million next season, he is a "bargain" considering that is what Derrick Lowe is making.

mitch also gave them the 93 world championship, so of course he will give them anything.

kenrosenthal wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:With 2 IP (minor leagues) this year? Before the deadline? FA at EOY? Beane would be thrilled to get Donald for that.

And FWIW, I love Duchscherer (when he's healthy of course).

donald to me is not an everyday played in mlb, i gladly make this trade. for how smart beane is, i cant believe he'd only want donald for this guy.

and yes i love duchscherer and he will be healthy in a month. and what if he stays. this guys pitched just a notch below halladay last year. to me, this is a no-brainer for the phils. i just dont understand why beane would do this.

There are only 2 months of the season left. What on earth do you think 1 month of an injured pitcher, who has not thrown all year, will bring in a trade? Pedro was signed for 1million plus a few incentives, we didnt have to give up prospects, and no one else was on him. That should show you how injured pitchers are treated by GMs... very carefully.

kenrosenthal wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:With 2 IP (minor leagues) this year? Before the deadline? FA at EOY? Beane would be thrilled to get Donald for that.

And FWIW, I love Duchscherer (when he's healthy of course).

donald to me is not an everyday player in mlb, i gladly make this trade. for how smart beane is, i cant believe he'd only want donald for this guy.

and yes i love duchscherer and he will be healthy in a month. and what if he stays. this guys pitched just a notch below halladay last year. to me, this is a no-brainer for the phils. i just dont understand why beane would do this.

Duchscherer does nothing for them this year (they're in last place). Beane probably won't offer him arbitration (he made $3,9MM this year), so Duchscherer has absolutely no value to Beane. Donald is a serviceable MLB player, cheap and maybe develops into a Mark De-Rosa-like player.

Trent Steele wrote:

ek wrote:jeff passan yahoo sports

Now, at the price of J.A. Happ(notes), Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown – well, giving up a major league starter and the best pitcher and position player in the minor league system is ludicrous. What, you expected Ricciardi to aim low on his first go? Talks will pick up again this week, and an NL scout believes Ricciardi will settle for a package of either Happ and Brown or Drabek and outfielder Michael Taylor, plus two more prospects.

I may be in the minority, but I'd rather trade Happ/Brown than Taylor/Drabek.

I'm in that minority, too, Trent. But that's the reason I think JPR would prefer Drabek and Taylor. There's more value there -- maybe by a lot.

kenrosenthal wrote:

threecount wrote:I liked Mitch Williams' comments on the pre-game show tonight..

He said if he was GM of the Phils, and his own son played on the Phillies, who he loved more than anything, he would say "see ya later son..I'm trading you for Halladay".

He said he would not hesitate in a second to give up Happ, Drabek, Brown, and whoever else Toronto wanted. He said a pitcher like this does not come around very often for a club to be able to get, and that for $15 million next season, he is a "bargain" considering that is what Derrick Lowe is making.

mitch also gave them the 93 world championship, so of course he will give them anything.

lmao

Trent Steele wrote:

ek wrote:jeff passan yahoo sports

Now, at the price of J.A. Happ(notes), Kyle Drabek and Dominic Brown – well, giving up a major league starter and the best pitcher and position player in the minor league system is ludicrous. What, you expected Ricciardi to aim low on his first go? Talks will pick up again this week, and an NL scout believes Ricciardi will settle for a package of either Happ and Brown or Drabek and outfielder Michael Taylor, plus two more prospects.

I may be in the minority, but I'd rather trade Happ/Brown than Taylor/Drabek.

I'd have to agree. I think in terms of ceiling, the difference between Drabek and Happ exceeds that of Brown and Taylor. But night's like tonight make you realize how talented Brown truly is. If he doesn't miss a month with that injury, we'd be talking about a guy likely to hit 20-25 HRs in a league where he's below the average age. And he plays CF, so there's exponentially more value in a guy who can hit at his clip and defensively play that position.

But I think the idea of adding Drabek to a rotation already including Halladay/Hamels/Blanton this time next year is appetizing to say the least.

kenrosenthal wrote:mitch also gave them the 93 world championship, so of course he will give them anything.

Ken pwns Mitch!

Werthless wrote:

kenrosenthal wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:With 2 IP (minor leagues) this year? Before the deadline? FA at EOY? Beane would be thrilled to get Donald for that.

And FWIW, I love Duchscherer (when he's healthy of course).

donald to me is not an everyday played in mlb, i gladly make this trade. for how smart beane is, i cant believe he'd only want donald for this guy.

and yes i love duchscherer and he will be healthy in a month. and what if he stays. this guys pitched just a notch below halladay last year. to me, this is a no-brainer for the phils. i just dont understand why beane would do this.

There are only 2 months of the season left. What on earth do you think 1 month of an injured pitcher, who has not thrown all year, will bring in a trade? Pedro was signed for 1million plus a few incentives, we didnt have to give up prospects, and no one else was on him. That should show you how injured pitchers are treated by GMs... very carefully.

a guy out of the pen who can come in a pitch a scorelss inning, and depending on how he does, you can bring him back and put him in the rotation. why not take a flyer on him. that is why the phils have been so successful over the past two years: werth, dobbs, durbin, romero, eyre, and park. why not? your giving up a guy that has no future in philly and seems not be an attractive piece to toronto.