Brantt wrote:Heyman on WFAN..........

Says GMs and executives don't always tell the truth

I don't believe that for one second.

I'm literally shocked, shocked by this statement.

The Mets trade rumor obviously came from someone with the Mets. Heyman lumped that in with his other 2 Mets reports and said the first 2 were true.

Halladay is a Dodgers.

This isn't how it was sup-posed TO BEEEEE!!!

Woody wrote:My suggestion for the next thread on this topic:

Throbbing Purple Halladaze

If the deal doesn't get done, mine would be:

Popping Heyman

can we get to part 8 before the trade deadline?

yes we can

Woody wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

philliesr98 wrote:maybe rube knows he is going to trade drabek, but he is holding off to make sure when he does, he doesnt have to include Brown Taylor Happ or Knapp

Drabek marson donald FTMFW

This

Yes. It's all posturing to ensure he doesn't give up Drabek + +

Make no mistake. Ruben is hard core. Ruben is old school. Ruben could give a f*** about some prospects. He has no remorse for human life. He is a smug, vile, general managing machine sent back in time to orchestrate parades.

That's some good stuff Woody!

I also agree with your prior comment that "how many reach Doc Halladay level" (Paraphrase) ... slim few as you indicated...

I'm cool with almost any deal that keeps Happ and lands Halladay... prospects are great, but the operative term IS "prospect", Halladay isn't a prospect, he's a bad-a** SP we need.

I disagree with Monkey or whoever it was that said, because we are so good, we don't need to press -- it's just the opposite. Having just won the whole enchilalada, with largely this same roster -- and given that most of the key parts of that roster are still playing at similar levels, Ibanez more than making up for Burrell -- amazing as it is, and despite the the short-comings we're in first place in late July with a healthy but not secure lead... we actually have the unheard of prospect of repeating... forget the someday maybe scenario -- competitive -- who cares... grab rings when you can. Halladay significantly increases our odds of repeat or 2 out of 3 or god please luv us a 3-peat?

Considering my grandfather who was born in the 1800's and died in 78 never saw the Phils win a WS, I've seen 2, I'll take another one when its there because regardless of Drabek, Brown and Taylor and Knapp, we might not see another in our lifetimes...?

Doc Halladay.

Make it happen, over-pay whatever....

No, Hamels for Halladay isn't what I mean... but Drabek? Don't like giving up talent, but REALLY like getting bone-fide stud SP in midst of another pennant race, WS-run!!

wogglymaster91 wrote:All these Halladay threads are making me sick. He's not gonna be a 2009 Phillies. Get over yourselves.

they all goin' crazee

I seen Pedro in my tree the other day and now in that same tree Halladay is. That's got to be a sign.

it would be nice to hear a "we want halladay" chant tonight.

but monty's killed it.

and it makes me sad.

ek wrote:yeah, they direct asked him yesterday on DNL if he trades Drabek and Taylor and one becomes Cy Young winner and the other an All-Star in six years but we win two championships. he said he would want to ensure they remain competitive the next 6 years

Heyman:

Says GMs and executives don't always tell the truth

Must be crazy being Kyle Drabek right now

"It's always darkest before the dawn," goes the old saying. The baseball version is that it's always darkest before the deal. General managers have a tendency to seem maximally rebellious in the days before a deal is actually finished. The reason is intuitive enough: That's when threats have an effect. A GM who talked down a trade six months ago couldn't have gotten a quote in his local paper. A GM who talks it down now gets a front-pager and a solicitous phone call from his contemporaries asking what, exactly, would make the trade more appealing.

And as I argued yesterday, I don't even think it's particularly dark. I seem to be rare in having been quite a bit more pessimistic at other points in the process than I am at this juncture. But either way, it's worth making one point on the Blue Jays agonizing decision to largely hold Halladay in reserve until the deadline: This isn't a new strategy.

adapted from: Link

RT @MLBastian RT @e_gilbert Ricciardi: "I think at this point it's probably unlikely that we'll trade Doc."

Zo

I was just kind of listening to the TV and I hear "Phillies new acquisition" and I about had a heart attack. They were referring to Pedro.

Gonna be a loooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnng week.

Elaboration from the Toronto Star...

Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi says the Jays likely won't trade ace pitcher Roy Halladay, and if they decide to deal him the deadline has moved up a few days.

Before tonight's game against the Cleveland Indians, Ricciardi told reporters that if the team doesn't trade Halladay between his start this Friday and his following start – scheduled for July 29 – then a deadline trade probably wouldn't happen.

"If we are trading (Halladay) then we're open to doing other things, but I think at this point it's probably unlikely that we'll trade Doc," he said.

TORONTO -- The Toronto Blue Jays say any trade for ace Roy Halladay needs to be completed by July 28.

General manager J.P. Ricciardi said Tuesday the deadline is necessary to get all agreements in place for what would be a complicated deal. The GM also wants this matter resolved before Halladay makes a scheduled start July 29 in Seattle.

To this point, the Blue Jays haven't seen any offers to their liking. That led Ricciardi to say a deal for his ace is now unlikely.

The Blue Jays are seeking a high-end package of prospects for the 2003 Cy Young Award winner. Halladay is 11-3 this season with a 2.73 ERA.

CBSsportsline

This screams desperation to get a deal done

Basically JP telling Rube, give us what we want or else..

BUTTTTT

We are the ones with all the leverage, Rube keep on being smug you asshat

drabek + taylor + brown + marson + donald + knapp for Qualls and Doug Davis!

yes!