Halladay is on the block, fyi

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:09:36

S2D wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Latest from RealKen:

The Cardinals face a similar challenge in the Halladay sweepstakes. While Halladay no doubt would love to be reunited with former Jays teammate Chris Carpenter — their wives also are close — other teams simply have more to offer.

Do they swap?

The 2009 version of Petersen and Kekich.

by **Grotewold** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:14:32

Heard a Kurkijen snippet this AM about the Phils' brain trust having "internal meetings" today to hash out and or finalize the package they'd be willing to offer to the Jays of Canada

by **philliesr98** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:18:26

Law was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about how the phils don't have the prospects the Jays want, and that our top prospects are nothing special...

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:19:37

philliesr98 wrote:Law was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about how the phils don't have the prospects the Jays want, and that our top prospects are nothing special...

I think I really am going to burn Keith Law's house down one of these days... if Shane Victorino or Kyle Drabek doesn't beat me to it.

by **philliesr98** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:20:41

mozartpc27 wrote:
philliesr98 wrote:Law was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about how the phils don't have the prospects the Jays want, and that our top prospects are nothing special...

I think I really am going to burn Keith Law's house down one of these days... if Shane Victorino or Kyle Drabek doesn't beat me to it.

viva la phanatic bitch!

by **Blur** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:22:44

What sort of reputation does Keith Law have within the baseball industry, and outside of ESPN? The guy sounds like a clown to me.

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:23:30

Grotewold wrote:Heard a Kurkijen snippet this AM about the Phils' brain trust having "internal meetings" today to hash out and or finalize the package they'd be willing to offer to the Jays of Canada

I hope that Rube just goes to them with our best offer and puts like a 48-hour time limit on it.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:26:20

ek wrote:
Blur wrote:What sort of reputation does Keith Law have within the baseball industry, and outside of ESPN? The guy sounds like a clown to me.

I know he worked for the Blue Jays but he and Riccardi had a bad falling out.

Probably because Riccardi is a nice dumbass and Law is a smart douchebag. The two don't really go together.

by **td11** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:27:06

Ricciardi seems like a dbag, too, though. Remember when he called out Adam Dunn for no reason?

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:28:08

philliesr98 wrote:Law was on Mike and Mike this morning talking about how the phils don't have the prospects the Jays want, and that our top prospects are nothing special...

If he and JP had a bad falling out this would make sense in that no matter what deal JP makes with the Phillies it looks like a bad deal. Seriously though, the anti-Philadelphia sentiment in the national media is almost unbearable. I don't live in Philly but I live close enough that it bothers the shit out of me.

by **Werthless** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:38:37

karn wrote:The other thing is that taking care of Knapp like that probably looks GOOD to Toronto IN that they're seeing Amaro not trying to hide any even minor injury to a prospect

Or, we're faking injury to Knapp so the Jays dont push hard to get him (ie. the Phils value him highly, don't want to include Knapp, but don't it to be a dealbreaker).

by **dajafi** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:53:31

I don't think Law has an anti-Phillies bias, simply because there's no good reason he would. But the fact that he seems pretty out there by himself in his dim view of our prospects is still reassuring. Praise from Goldstein, three in the BA top 25... I'm feeling very good about our system, particularly if we still have three of the top five (or two, if they're Drabek and one of Taylor/Brown) plus Doc by month's end.

by **jamiethekiller** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:55:24

dajafi wrote:I don't think Law has an anti-Phillies bias, simply because there's no good reason he would. But the fact that he seems pretty out there by himself in his dim view of our prospects is still reassuring. Praise from Goldstein, three in the BA top 25... I'm feeling very good about our system, particularly if we still have three of the top five (or two, if they're Drabek and one of Taylor/Brown) plus Doc by month's end.

also had 2 in the top 10 according to SI

by **EndlessSummer** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 13:58:40

Having heard of a few of Law's interviews, I think he dislikes the Phillies because Ruben Amaro might be the only person on earth approaching his smugness. The guy is a once-in-a-generation dickbag.

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 14:12:15

dajafi wrote:I don't think Law has an anti-Phillies bias, simply because there's no good reason he would.

Born in 1973, Law grew up in Smithtown, New York on Long Island.

by **Squire** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 14:18:32

I have this recollection however that Law like Donald, Taylor and Brown more than his colleagues prior to the start of the season. Is that incorrect?

SQUIRE

by **Woody** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 14:20:54

Who cares what these no talent assclowns think of our prospects? It only matters what JP Riccardo thinks, even though he himself may be a no talent assclown

by **JFLNYC** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 14:35:38

traderdave wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Heard a Kurkijen snippet this AM about the Phils' brain trust having "internal meetings" today to hash out and or finalize the package they'd be willing to offer to the Jays of Canada

I hope that Rube just goes to them with our best offer and puts like a 48-hour time limit on it.

I'm afraid that won't produce the desired result.

by **CrashburnAlley** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 14:42:37

Awesome breakdown of a Roy Halladay trade at Beyond the Box Score.

Here's a quick and dirty estimate of what prospect packages would equal Halladay's trade value. Based on past trading history, some are more likely than others.

* One stud position player. (Win for Blue Jays.)
* One top 50 position player.
* Two top 100 position players.
* One top 10 pitching prospect and a grade B prospect.
* Two top 75 pitching prospects.
* Four grade B prospects.
* Twelve to twenty grade C prospects. (The Ricky Williams strategy?)

Phillies

While everybody's raving about the Phillies' pitching prospects, they only had one ranked in Baseball America's Top 100 before the season, Carlos Carrasco. Mid-season, however, Kyle Drabek has cracked the Top 25. Both of those guys would be woth $15M in excess value going forward, while B-prospects J.A. Happ and Jason Knapp are each about half as valuable. Just looking at pitchers, then, one from each group would make for a fair trade, while two of the studs or three of the four would tip things in the Jays favor. How Pedro Martinez looks over the next two weeks will go a long way towards determining how much of their future the Phillies are looking to sacrifice.

The Phillies do have some quality position player prospects, though, too, namely Dominic Brown and Michael Taylor, two outfielders who both made BA's mid-season top 25, plus Jason Donald (INF) who was a Top 75 pre-season pick. That's an expected value of $25M each for the two otufielders and $15M for Donald. Maybe the Jays strategy is to push for multiple pitchers, then "settle" for just one plus a blue-chip outfield prospect?

by **traderdave** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 14:56:08

JFLNYC wrote:
traderdave wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Heard a Kurkijen snippet this AM about the Phils' brain trust having "internal meetings" today to hash out and or finalize the package they'd be willing to offer to the Jays of Canada

I hope that Rube just goes to them with our best offer and puts like a 48-hour time limit on it.

I'm afraid that won't produce the desired result.

Probably not but we can't let JP shop our deal around to everybody else in the league plus if we are giving up those kinds of prospects I don't want Halladay making another four starts for Toronto.

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