The Savior wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:it's real #$!&@ that "dead guy shoulda known better" is the first reaction from people anytime anything bad happens, is all

i totally agree with this because the idea that a person "shoulda known better" implies that he/she was actually taught to "know better". However, in this direct scenario, if there's anyone who should know the dangers of running towards race cars traveling 40-60mph on a slick surface, it would be this guy.

SK790 wrote:Next time you see someone who has crossed the street at a poor time just run em over. They Shoulda known better.

Especially if that person is a licensed member of the NRA

sydnor wrote:

td11 wrote:

sydnor wrote:it's bizarre that td thinks werthless didn't think he was kidding.

I don't think the majority of people who (rightly) get labeled bigoted for calling people f**** or talking about sucking dicks actually think that's going on. it's just a pejorative that shouldn't have a place in civilized society.

TD's alec baldwin moment.

you clearly don't know werthless. probably because you were banned and away from the website. i can assure you that your interpretation is wrong, as it usually is with most things concerning board dynamics

you really shouldn't have said it. it was offensive. but don't take any responsibility.

Barry Jive wrote:it's real shitty that "dead guy shoulda known better" is the first reaction from people anytime anything bad happens, is all

BigEd76 wrote:If Dale Jr or Jimmie Johnson had done it, there wouldn't be as big of an outrage. It's because of Stewart's on- and off-track history that fans immediately assume he did it on purpose

lethal wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:If Dale Jr or Jimmie Johnson had done it, there wouldn't be as big of an outrage. It's because of Stewart's on- and off-track history that fans immediately assume he did it on purpose

That combined with the initial announcement from the Stewart camp that he was still going to race the Sprint Cup race that day and it was "business as usual." The tone deafness of that the morning after he killed a kid, regardless of fault, got people upset.

Bill McNeal wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:it's real shitty that "dead guy shoulda known better" is the first reaction from people anytime anything bad happens, is all

I agree with that sentient 99 times out of 100, but in this case, I think the victim has a large part of the culpibility. I won't say majority, because, as I posted upthread, I don't think it's possible to parse Stewat's actions and intent from the video I've seen. The fact remains though, that Ward ran into an active race, on a dirt track, at cars driving at a high rate of speed. Bad shit is going to happen when you do that which does not absolve Stewart of any wrongdoing, but accidents happen sometimes and two people can combine bad decisions and cause a tragedy.

Barry Jive wrote:

Bill McNeal wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:it's real #$!&@ that "dead guy shoulda known better" is the first reaction from people anytime anything bad happens, is all

I agree with that sentient 99 times out of 100, but in this case, I think the victim has a large part of the culpibility. I won't say majority, because, as I posted upthread, I don't think it's possible to parse Stewat's actions and intent from the video I've seen. The fact remains though, that Ward ran into an active race, on a dirt track, at cars driving at a high rate of speed. Bad #$!&@ is going to happen when you do that which does not absolve Stewart of any wrongdoing, but accidents happen sometimes and two people can combine bad decisions and cause a tragedy.

Did the guy do something bad enough that he deserved to die? No. So the conversation should not start with his actions. It should start with "let's check to see if the guy who killed him is legally culpable." That's called a homicide investigation, and people here are opposed to it.

Napalm wrote:putting himself in a dangerous situation and realizing the consequences isn't the same as asking whether or not he deserved to die because he placed himself in that situation.

jamiethekiller wrote:Do you guys think he got in front of the car?

pacino wrote:

lethal wrote:

BigEd76 wrote:If Dale Jr or Jimmie Johnson had done it, there wouldn't be as big of an outrage. It's because of Stewart's on- and off-track history that fans immediately assume he did it on purpose

That combined with the initial announcement from the Stewart camp that he was still going to race the Sprint Cup race that day and it was "business as usual." The tone deafness of that the morning after he killed a kid, regardless of fault, got people upset.

that was what got me. 'business as usual'

td11 wrote:

Napalm wrote:putting himself in a dangerous situation and realizing the consequences isn't the same as asking whether or not he deserved to die because he placed himself in that situation.

what

Barry Jive wrote:so it shouldn't even be investigated because he did a dumb thing and a guy killed him as a result? That's what you're saying?