Slowhand wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:It would be insane to add the dh to the Nl without giving teams at least one full offseason to prepare for it. That will have a great effect on your roster.

Meh, if this season even happens at all everything will have an asterisk next to it. Might as well get crazy with it.

momadance wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:It would be insane to add the dh to the Nl without giving teams at least one full offseason to prepare for it. That will have a great effect on your roster.

Meh, if this season even happens at all everything will have an asterisk next to it. Might as well get crazy with it.

Yeah ... At this point I'll just be happy with some games regardless of the changes for the season.

Napalm wrote:

momadance wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:It would be insane to add the dh to the Nl without giving teams at least one full offseason to prepare for it. That will have a great effect on your roster.

Meh, if this season even happens at all everything will have an asterisk next to it. Might as well get crazy with it.

Yeah ... At this point I'll just be happy with some games regardless of the changes for the season.

It's a good opportunity to experiment with ideas

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:

Napalm wrote:

momadance wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:It would be insane to add the dh to the Nl without giving teams at least one full offseason to prepare for it. That will have a great effect on your roster.

Meh, if this season even happens at all everything will have an asterisk next to it. Might as well get crazy with it.

Yeah ... At this point I'll just be happy with some games regardless of the changes for the season.

It's a good opportunity to experiment with ideas

robot umps ain't spreading rona

Napalm wrote:

momadance wrote:

Slowhand wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:It would be insane to add the dh to the Nl without giving teams at least one full offseason to prepare for it. That will have a great effect on your roster.

Meh, if this season even happens at all everything will have an asterisk next to it. Might as well get crazy with it.

Yeah ... At this point I'll just be happy with some games regardless of the changes for the season.

It's a good opportunity to experiment with ideas

JFLNYC wrote:So when they start playing and a player tests positive — and someone undoubtedly will at some point — does the entire team go into quarantine and forfeit games? How about the other team? The umps? Staff? I just don’t see how they can plausibly plan to start playing 7 weeks from now.

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ESPN Sources: Attendees left Board of Governors call w/ Adam Silver today feeling positive about momentum toward an NBA return to play this season. Discussion included how league/players will need to get comfortable w/ some positive tests for virus not shutting down a resumption

Rockinghorse wrote:Money is gonna be a far bigger obstacle than the health precautions. I could see owners using this as an opportunity to deliver a massive punch to the union in advance of next year's CBA negotiations, shutting down completely to make lower paid players desperate (a la NFL).

I'd like to see the numbers on how much the owners will lose by paying prorated salaries (as they agreed to do) without any ticket revenue. They still have merchandise and other ways to mine for cash if there's a season. I suspect the money loss would be something their accountants can game out with minimal pain either way.

How bad for the players would a split actually be?

Warning: This is going to be some very back-of-the-napkin math that attempts to estimate revenues. Ballparking revenues tends to be a fool's errand. In short, a 50-50 split is a huge issue. But indulge me. It is more to make a point.

Forbes estimated that MLB's industrywide revenues in 2019 were $10.7 billion. Club sources have suggested the number was lower but in that ballpark. Let's use the higher number but use teams' estimate that 40% of local revenue will vanish without ticket sales. That leaves $6.4 billion.

Sources have estimated that local television revenue is somewhere in the $2.2 billion to $2.5 billion range annually. Because teams under this plan would play only half the games, that's half the revenue -- say, another $1.2 billion haircut. And that does not account for regional sports networks, which pay local TV-rights fees, potentially asking for a discount based on the difference in the product, whether it's because there are no fans in the stands or because teams are forced to play away from home thanks to local government regulations. Ignoring that possibility, we're down to $5.2 billion.

National TV money is estimated at $1.7 billion a year. The point of implementing expanded playoffs would be to maintain that number, with the loss of half the Sunday Night Baseball games and the expected cancellation of the All-Star Game and Home Run Derby in Los Angeles. In the current system, MLB's guaranteed number of playoff games is 26, and its maximum is 43. Expanded playoffs would swell those numbers to 36 and 59. That translates to hundreds of millions of extra dollars in postseason revenue, keeping the overall revenue number in the low-$5 billion range.

Losses in other areas are almost a given, dropping revenue under $5 billion. Which, admittedly, still seems high, especially if owners are claiming they could lose money this year. Still, it makes the prospect of a 50-50 split with players interesting financially. Player salaries for 2020 are estimated somewhere between $4.2 billion and $4.4 billion. Let's go with $4.3 billion. At a prorated salary for 50.6% of the games, that's around $2.18 billion. Half of, say, $4.8 billion would be $2.4 billion.

MoBettle wrote:Obviously the owners are billionaires for a reason and as long as it's not actually impacting the games I'm fine with the sides negotiating, but I'm not getting the outrage against the players that I've seen in certain outlets...

heyeaglefn wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:I welcome the NL DH. Also think our Phillies are in a decent position to utilize it.

I welcome the concept, I don't welcome the sudden implementation of it, especially at the conclusion of a fucking offseason.

Covid 19 made the decision a lot easier. You just aren't going to have the normal amount of arms and bats at your disposal throughout your organization this year. Who knows if there will even me minor league baseball.

lethal wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:I welcome the NL DH. Also think our Phillies are in a decent position to utilize it.

I welcome the concept, I don't welcome the sudden implementation of it, especially at the conclusion of a fucking offseason.

Covid 19 made the decision a lot easier. You just aren't going to have the normal amount of arms and bats at your disposal throughout your organization this year. Who knows if there will even me minor league baseball.

I can't see rolling back the DH once you play this season with it though, even as strange a season it will be.

heyeaglefn wrote:

lethal wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:I welcome the NL DH. Also think our Phillies are in a decent position to utilize it.

I welcome the concept, I don't welcome the sudden implementation of it, especially at the conclusion of a fucking offseason.

Covid 19 made the decision a lot easier. You just aren't going to have the normal amount of arms and bats at your disposal throughout your organization this year. Who knows if there will even me minor league baseball.

I can't see rolling back the DH once you play this season with it though, even as strange a season it will be.

No, it is here to stay if it comes in. It was going to happen at some point, I think teams were probably preparing for 2022 for it to start.