MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Werthless » Tue May 12, 2020 00:16:50

MoBettle wrote:There really aren’t that many full time DHs. I don’t think it’s a huge advantage for the AL teams. If a team pays a DH then it just means they aren’t paying some other part of their team.

I think it’s good for the Phillies, gives Bohm more of a chance for ABs, the less Bruce and Hoskins are in the field the better, you can keep JT in the line up more, maybe even give Harper and Cutch more breaks.

In the AL, Yordan Alvarez, J.D. Martinez, Nelson Cruz, Giancarlo Stanton, and Shohei Ohtani are already there as primary DHs with quality hitters like Jorge Soler, Edwin Encarnación, and Franmil Reyes also serving that role. Those players just aren’t on NL rosters right now.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/nl-teams-st ... h-in-2020/

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Werthless » Tue May 12, 2020 00:24:08

It also means teams like the Phillies (Santana) or the Padres (Franimal) can't easily accommodate players limited on defense. Prospects like Soler need to hit well enough to be worth the defensive liability. Ohtani chooses the AL so he can hit while giving his arm a rest completely when not pitching. All of these types of players wind up in the AL. You think Jose Abreu would consider an NL team? It's higher risk for both him and the club, without a DH.

Except the Mets. They have built an AL team for years.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Tue May 12, 2020 07:33:09

Based the "full-time" thing on ESPN having only 4 guys having 400 plate appearances as a DH last year.

Though now that I'm looking at it this doesn't have JD Martinez for whatever reason so who knows how accurate it is.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Grotewold » Tue May 12, 2020 07:45:40

Werthless wrote:It also means teams like the Phillies (Santana) or the Padres (Franimal) can't easily accommodate players limited on defense. Prospects like Soler need to hit well enough to be worth the defensive liability. Ohtani chooses the AL so he can hit while giving his arm a rest completely when not pitching. All of these types of players wind up in the AL. You think Jose Abreu would consider an NL team? It's higher risk for both him and the club, without a DH.

Except the Mets. They have built an AL team for years.


That's always been my contention, yeah. There's an entire category of player -- often with a high ceiling -- that doesn't work in the NL

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Tue May 12, 2020 10:21:50

Turned on 90 seconds of Gargano and he's trotting out the "how can they be arguing over money right now when so many people are out of work" bait. Pretty incredible that in 2020 that the labor is still viewed as overpaid (relative to the owners).

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Tue May 12, 2020 10:47:25

It’s not like them arguing is stopping them from playing games right now.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Tue May 12, 2020 10:54:37

Are the Phillies going to ask for a waiver from Wolf to open CBP?
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Napalm » Tue May 12, 2020 10:56:53

Warszawa wrote:Are the Phillies going to ask for a waiver from Wolf to open CBP?

They can ask, but Wolf might waive 'em off and give them the hanging curve

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Tue May 12, 2020 11:03:34

PSUsarge wrote:Pretty thoughtful thread by Sean Doolittle - https://twitter.com/whatwouldDOOdo/stat ... 0992410626

A few highlights:

@whatwouldDOOdo
So how many tests do we need to safely play during a pandemic? And not just tests for players. Baseball requires a massive workforce besides the players; coaches, clubhouse staff, security, grounds crews, umpires, gameday stadium staff, TV & media...we need to protect everyone.

@whatwouldDOOd
And that's before we get to hotel workers and transportation workers (pilots, flight attendants, bus drivers). They are essential workers. We wouldn't be able to play a season without them, and they deserve the same protections.

@whatwouldDOOdo
We need to consider what level of risk we're willing to assume. 80% of cases are considered mild, but what if a player, a staff member, an auxiliary worker, or a family member gets a case that's in the 20% and they develop severe symptoms or chronic issues? 1 feels like too many?

@whatwouldDOOdo
There are a number of players & staff who have pre-existing conditions that they are aware of (and likely more who aren't yet). We need a plan that seriously considers the increased health concerns of any players, staff or workers who are at higher risk.


Seems like they can figure out a plan that involves no staff that are high risk being involved with the restart. Not sure how many players are high risk, that’s a decision they’ll have to make. Maybe everyone with asma and so on can’t play.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby The B1G Piece » Tue May 12, 2020 11:04:00

PSUsarge wrote:Turned on 90 seconds of Gargano and he's trotting out the "how can they be arguing over money right now when so many people are out of work" bait. Pretty incredible that in 2020 that the labor is still viewed as overpaid (relative to the owners).

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EDIT: this is some of the most embarrassing radio I've heard in some time.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Werthless » Tue May 12, 2020 12:16:31

MoBettle wrote:Based the "full-time" thing on ESPN having only 4 guys having 400 plate appearances as a DH last year.

Though now that I'm looking at it this doesn't have JD Martinez for whatever reason so who knows how accurate it is.

Yes, that's true. Most teams use the DH to rest guys and keep em healthy. Last year also happened to feature a bunch of DHs that got injured.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue May 12, 2020 12:26:26

I welcome the NL DH. Also think our Phillies are in a decent position to utilize it.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Tue May 12, 2020 12:32:19

Uncle Milty wrote:I welcome the NL DH. Also think our Phillies are in a decent position to utilize it.

I welcome the concept, I don't welcome the sudden implementation of it, especially at the conclusion of a fucking offseason.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Tue May 12, 2020 12:34:52

The B1G Piece wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:Turned on 90 seconds of Gargano and he's trotting out the "how can they be arguing over money right now when so many people are out of work" bait. Pretty incredible that in 2020 that the labor is still viewed as overpaid (relative to the owners).

The man of the working people!

EDIT: this is some of the most embarrassing radio I've heard in some time.

Had to turn it off, can only imagine it is a worse version of the reactions to the Harper / Machado waiting period - "these guys are paid enough!" type of crap.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby The B1G Piece » Tue May 12, 2020 12:52:22

PSUsarge wrote:
The B1G Piece wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:Turned on 90 seconds of Gargano and he's trotting out the "how can they be arguing over money right now when so many people are out of work" bait. Pretty incredible that in 2020 that the labor is still viewed as overpaid (relative to the owners).

The man of the working people!

EDIT: this is some of the most embarrassing radio I've heard in some time.

Had to turn it off, can only imagine it is a worse version of the reactions to the Harper / Machado waiting period - "these guys are paid enough!" type of crap.

'Will anyone watch the Phillies when the NHL and NBA come back?' - Did I miss that announcement?

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby heyeaglefn » Tue May 12, 2020 13:06:02

PSUsarge wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:I welcome the NL DH. Also think our Phillies are in a decent position to utilize it.

I welcome the concept, I don't welcome the sudden implementation of it, especially at the conclusion of a fucking offseason.

Covid 19 made the decision a lot easier. You just aren't going to have the normal amount of arms and bats at your disposal throughout your organization this year. Who knows if there will even me minor league baseball.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue May 12, 2020 13:35:10

I'm still feeling like it's unlikely we get baseball this year. I think it will be tough to get all the governors to sign off on this in the home stadiums. Outbreaks will continue to happen and cities will be bad at different times. I'm not sure how you can get started in that situation. Maybe NYC is good to go, but then Miami might be bad. Then Miami gets ok, but Houston might have an outbreak, etc, etc. I think that's the situation we're looking at until there's a vaccine. Can we open the season with that situation happening? I don't really know the answer to that, but it seems like there are too many moving parts (how many governors and public health groups?) to come to a consensus all at the same time given that each of these people/groups will be experiencing something different at any one time.

I think I'm being realistic and not pessimistic.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby mtcal » Tue May 12, 2020 14:38:32

The B1G Piece wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:
The B1G Piece wrote:
PSUsarge wrote:Turned on 90 seconds of Gargano and he's trotting out the "how can they be arguing over money right now when so many people are out of work" bait. Pretty incredible that in 2020 that the labor is still viewed as overpaid (relative to the owners).

The man of the working people!

EDIT: this is some of the most embarrassing radio I've heard in some time.

Had to turn it off, can only imagine it is a worse version of the reactions to the Harper / Machado waiting period - "these guys are paid enough!" type of crap.

'Will anyone watch the Phillies when the NHL and NBA come back?' - Did I miss that announcement?


i had to turn him off too.

his desire was that if baseball squabbles like this, that he hopes that nhl and nba 'flip their seasons' and play during the summer when we'd normally be watching baseball, and it sends a message to the MLB about how fed up the fans are.

i don't think basketball and hockey would do that..
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue May 12, 2020 14:43:28

It would be insane to add the dh to the Nl without giving teams at least one full offseason to prepare for it. That will have a great effect on your roster.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Slowhand » Tue May 12, 2020 14:44:46

Wheels Tupay wrote:It would be insane to add the dh to the Nl without giving teams at least one full offseason to prepare for it. That will have a great effect on your roster.


Meh, if this season even happens at all everything will have an asterisk next to it. Might as well get crazy with it.
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