MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby ek20 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 18:02:58

some are saying it's a stall tactic so they can get closer to the 48-52 game window
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Jun 15, 2020 18:17:31

It definitely is but MLBPA is in a spot now where they are not going to get what they want.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby CFP » Mon Jun 15, 2020 18:46:23

Trevor Bauer just ended Manfred on Twitter

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jun 15, 2020 18:56:39

Tbf though Trevor Bauer is complete trash

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby 06hawkalum » Mon Jun 15, 2020 19:12:28

Either there bill be baseball in 2020, or there won’t be baseball until 2022.

There will be baseball in 2020.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Bill McNeal » Mon Jun 15, 2020 19:15:25

CalvinBall wrote:Tbf though Trevor Bauer is complete trash


He’s an asshole, but he ain’t wrong. https://twitter.com/baueroutage/status/ ... 21088?s=21
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Mon Jun 15, 2020 19:35:53

I keep daydreaming that Middleton will save the season by holding a fiery press conference blaming Manfred and some owners.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Rockinghorse » Mon Jun 15, 2020 19:54:03

I don't disagree MLB is stalling, but I don't think it's a slam dunk case if the players tried to pursue that path. MLB can announce tomorrow, 54 games starting end of July. Build in a handful more off days for testing, disinfecting ballparks, etc. It's not like they're trying to limit them to 3 games a week or something.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Swiggers » Mon Jun 15, 2020 22:03:47

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:I keep daydreaming that Middleton will save the season by holding a fiery press conference blaming Manfred and some owners.


It's pretty clear that the owners are divided among themselves, which somewhat explains the strange tactics coming from their end. But there's no way any of them are gonna speak publicly on this, that's what they have Manfred for.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Mon Jun 15, 2020 23:54:51

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It seems to come down to this: The baseball owners, who have made billions and been given sweetheart leases and absurd tax breaks and the legal freedom to run a monopoly, are unwilling to give back even a little to their communities and support the very game that they represent.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby mcare89 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 23:57:42

Boras hit it on the head a few weeks ago. They want to keep the surplus gains but pass off the unexpected losses onto labor. It's a great way to maintain profits if you can pull it off, but as you're seeing now, some people may have an issue with that approach.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jun 16, 2020 00:34:10

On Wed May 27, 2020 11:51 am JFLNYC wrote:In exchange for collecting any profits and enjoying any appreciation in their owned assets, owners assume the risk of losses. Employees don't. They get paid wages -- freely agreed upon with owners -- for the work they perform.


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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby SCPhillyPhan » Tue Jun 16, 2020 00:35:03

mcare89 wrote:Boras hit it on the head a few weeks ago. They want to keep the surplus gains but pass off the unexpected losses onto labor. It's a great way to maintain profits if you can pull it off, but as you're seeing now, some people may have an issue with that approach.


This. When there have been labor disputes in the past I'm usually a support the owners kind of guy. That's because they own the equity shares. It has seemed that the players argue from the point of view that they want to be equity partners. Doesn't work that way in my world. BUT, in the current case the owners now seem to want the players to share the burden of being equity partners when the chips are down. Also not the way that works in my world.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Uncle Milty » Tue Jun 16, 2020 06:12:47

Owners just following the example set by the rest of modern big business.

Risk exists in business operation and ownership but there's a refusal to accept it here. Beyond revenue all except the newest owners sit on incredible gains in franchise value. A small sacrifice this year easily might add future gains in value and revenue that far exceed the loss.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Tue Jun 16, 2020 08:43:00

Uncle Milty wrote:Owners just following the example set by the rest of modern big business.

Risk exists in business operation and ownership but there's a refusal to accept it here. Beyond revenue all except the newest owners sit on incredible gains in franchise value. A small sacrifice this year easily might add future gains in value and revenue that far exceed the loss.

Absolutely, and it's even worse here because these owners aren't relying on this business to make / build wealth. They're already ultrawealthy.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby Squire » Tue Jun 16, 2020 08:48:37

Want to retract what I said a couple of weeks ago. I said the players were not likely to win the PR war because the average fan always blames them but I actually think Saturday's and Monday's actions kinda exposed the owners as acting in bad faith. I still don't find the players to be generally sympathetic since the gladly went along with screwing the high school and college kids but as it relates to the current dispute they are more sympathetic than the owners.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby MoBettle » Tue Jun 16, 2020 09:18:54

Regarding the earlier convo about bad League owners: it’s worth noting the NBA owners were much more contentious with the players earlier this century when they weren’t printing money like they are now.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:19:09

Squire wrote:Want to retract what I said a couple of weeks ago. I said the players were not likely to win the PR war because the average fan always blames them but I actually think Saturday's and Monday's actions kinda exposed the owners as acting in bad faith. I still don't find the players to be generally sympathetic since the gladly went along with screwing the high school and college kids but as it relates to the current dispute they are more sympathetic than the owners.

Agree with this. The last thing anyone heard from the players is "it's time to get back to work, tell us when and where" and MLB / the owners are essentially refusing. I think this resonates heavily in the court of public opinion.

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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:27:55

MLB continues on its decades-long quest to go from America’s Favorite Pastime to irrelevancy.
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Re: MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IN 2020 (RANDOM MLB THREAD)

Postby PSUsarge » Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:33:11

Have had 97.5 and 94.1 on here and there this morning, this is the dominant topic and 100% focused on Manfred and the owners.

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