traderdave wrote:Well I finally bit the bullet and deposited money into my F/T account (I know, I know). Played my first $$$ tourney last night ($1.25 SNG) and won it. HUGE $4.50 payoff Seriously though, it was a lot of fun.

dont be embarrassed to play within your means or smaller stakes because youre still learning. That just shows you're smart and organized which are good skills to have to play poker.

Check out the heater this guy is on.........

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showt ... hp?t=99166

Irish Car Bomb wrote:Check out the heater this guy is on.........

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showt ... hp?t=99166

this post is the best.....

Cash out all but $500 and do it again.

Just like gay sex, it doesnt count until you do it twice.

Irish Car Bomb wrote:Check out the heater this guy is on.........

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showt ... hp?t=99166

it wouldve been nice if you coulda linked it at page 8, the first 7 pages are worthless

The Red Tornado wrote:

traderdave wrote:Well I finally bit the bullet and deposited money into my F/T account (I know, I know). Played my first $$$ tourney last night ($1.25 SNG) and won it. HUGE $4.50 payoff Seriously though, it was a lot of fun.

dont be embarrassed to play within your means or smaller stakes because youre still learning. That just shows you're smart and organized which are good skills to have to play poker.

I appreciate the confidence booster, Brian. For the past couple of weeks, whenever I'd play online (for play money) I'd focus on one part of my game each session. For example, one night I might play real aggressively, raising alot when opening and coming over the top when opened, then the next I'd spend alot of time trying to trap people.

The last couple of times I really just concentrated on trying to "put people on a hand", really focus on playing the hand out in my head and guessing what my opponents had. It has been going pretty well. I'll be testing my skills live in a tourney tomorrow night.

I won!

I beat Joe heads up. Your friend Dave was the person out on the bubble. 3 handed was soooooo long and such a grind because they were sooooo passive preflop.

nice work

I crapped out early, got drunk and had hot monkey love (I win too?)

Well my live tourney on Saturday nite could not have possibly gone worse - gone after one hand!!! I'm in seat 5 and am second to act on first hand. Blinds are $25/$50. UTG folds and I raise to $100 with

Kd Jd.

I get three callers to my raise so there is around $425 in the pot.

Flop - Ad 7d 8c

I bet $150 and #7 comes over the top raising to $450. There was one caller to the $450 so I figure I'm getting great pot odds on the nut flush draw so I call. Now around $1,800 in the pot.

Turn - 8d

My flush is now complete and I figure best he has is two pair. I bet $1,000 figuring I'd take the pot down right there. I'm stunned when #7 calls; other guy folds. Now around $3,800 in the pot.

Up to this point, I think I played the hand well. Unfortunately, I only played 55 of the 60 minutes required for a win.

River - Ac

This is where I totally f'd up. In retrospect, I absolutely should have put him on a boat but I think I was thinking that if he only had two pair after the turn he had absolutely no business calling my $1k bet when I was clearly playing as if I made my flush. I mean, after the turn he is only around 12:1 to win, right (three, maybe four outs)? I was only giving him 2.8:1 odds after my $1k bet.

Anyway, turns out he had A-5 (yeah, he raised me 3x on the flop with a 5-kicker) and the river filled his boat. I know I really screwed up at the end but I'm not sure what I would do differently before that.

My new personal poker rule - fold the first hand no matter what my cards are

traderdave wrote: I'm in seat 5 and am second to act on first hand. Blinds are $25/$50. UTG folds and I raise to $100 with with Kd Jd.

IMHO, that is where it starts to go bad.....KJ, suited or not, will break you more than just about any other hand out there......

Irish Car Bomb wrote:

traderdave wrote: I'm in seat 5 and am second to act on first hand. Blinds are $25/$50. UTG folds and I raise to $100 with with Kd Jd.

IMHO, that is where it starts to go bad.....KJ, suited or not, will break you more than just about any other hand out there......

all hands have the possibility of breaking you....

he had 3 outs

one ace and 2 8's

7 percent to win going into the river....

going all in on the turn probably would have driven the guy out on the turn, betting 1/3 the pot seems like a decent value bet with the Ace high flush at the time, that just went wrong.....

not to much you can do there

one thing to realize while trying to win money on flushes, somebody with 2 pair can draw out on you, a straight can't(1 exception).....

traderdave wrote:Well my live tourney on Saturday nite could not have possibly gone worse - gone after one hand!!! I'm in seat 5 and am second to act on first hand. Blinds are $25/$50. UTG folds and I raise to $100 with

Kd Jd.

I get three callers to my raise so there is around $425 in the pot.

Flop - Ad 7d 8c

I bet $150 and #7 comes over the top raising to $450. There was one caller to the $450 so I figure I'm getting great pot odds on the nut flush draw so I call. Now around $1,800 in the pot.

Turn - 8d

My flush is now complete and I figure best he has is two pair. I bet $1,000 figuring I'd take the pot down right there. I'm stunned when #7 calls; other guy folds. Now around $3,800 in the pot.

Up to this point, I think I played the hand well. Unfortunately, I only played 55 of the 60 minutes required for a win.

River - Ac

This is where I totally f'd up. In retrospect, I absolutely should have put him on a boat but I think I was thinking that if he only had two pair after the turn he had absolutely no business calling my $1k bet when I was clearly playing as if I made my flush. I mean, after the turn he is only around 12:1 to win, right (three, maybe four outs)? I was only giving him 2.8:1 odds after my $1k bet.

Anyway, turns out he had A-5 (yeah, he raised me 3x on the flop with a 5-kicker) and the river filled his boat. I know I really screwed up at the end but I'm not sure what I would do differently before that.

My new personal poker rule - fold the first hand no matter what my cards are

as Irish points out- playing KJ in early position isnt a good idea with a high M.

But the river you shouldve tossed your hand in a heartbeat. The only hands you can put your opponent on by the river is an Ace or 8 or bluff or smaller flush- the likelihood that he has a bluff or smaller flush is really small as they wont bet big with such a nutty board.

minraising UTG+1 with KJs is terrible. either:
1) put in a normal sized raise so you don't have to play a very-many-multiway pot totally OOP
2) limp because your hand has the most value in a large pot against many opponents but you want to minimize the amount you invest, as most of the time you make a hand it won't be very good.
3) fold because KJs from EP is a crappy hand and it's easy to make gigantic mistakes

on the flop your bet is probably too small, but it's not that bad in this situation. personally, i probably check and see how the betting goes--if i bet, Ax is always calling and often raising, and with 3 callers of the preflop raise, someone probably has Ax here. i don't mind playing a pot against them, and you can definitely make an argument to play this very aggressively because you'll be getting some decent pot odds. but it's early, you have a strong draw BUT you're almost certainly behind right now AND it is very hard for most bad players to fold a pair of aces no matter what the situation is. this is good and bad for you. more good than bad if you play it right.

on the flop, i'd have either
1) bet pot, hoping to set myself up to make a big bet on the turn, regardless of whether or not i made a flush, and take the pot down. if not, by then i'd probably have the odds to call to see the river no matter what.
2) checked and evaluated. this is my preferred choice here, because usually people don't bet "enough" to correctly deny drawing odds in these sorts of situations, and you still want to try and keep everyone in this hand, plus you're still on the draw. most of the time, i'd check here and expect to call any reasonable sized-bet, and i might fold if the action got really crazy behind me.

on the turn, you bet is okay, probably. i don't know how many chips you started with, because as far as i can tell you never said how deep the stacks were. assuming you had like, at least 5k or 10k, then your bet is fine. if you only had 2.5k or 2k total, then you probably should have just moved all-in or checked and hoped to sucker your opponent into betting. but again, basically, your opponent sucks, he had a pair of aces and now he has 2 pair, and he probably thinks his hand is unbeatable. you aren't necessarily playing like you made the flush--but you are playing like you have him beat--I'd put you on any flush, AT or better, AA, 77, and possibly even something like 87. So if I had A5 against you, I fold to this bet for sure. most bad players don't, they call you here with any ace, any 8, and a variety of draws/worse flushes/etc.

for me, on the turn, if the stacks are 3.5k or more, i'd bet about what you did. if they are less than 3.5k, i probably check and hope to induce a bet.

on the river, you didn't really say what the action was. i check/fold your hand on the river, no questions about it. obviously, you are now beat unless your opponent has absolutely nothing, and most people aren't running 3-street bluffs with air on the first hand of a tournament. if you checked, he moved in, and you called, that's horrible. if you moved all in, and he called, that's horrible.

basically, anything other than check/fold on the river is horrible.

the only possible caveat/exception to all that is if you only had a few hundred chips left, because at that point you can probably argue that he has air/a worse flush/something retarded and he thinks he's good often enough to merit the small pot odds, plus the fact that you're going to be crippled if you fold at this point so it's better to take the "worse" of it and make a bad call.

from reading what you wrote, i'm guessing you checked, he moved all in, you called...and you had enough chips left that you could have folded to his action and been able to recover?

seke,

round 5
blinds 500/1000

I'm in MP, I just rebought after Dave R sucks out on me (I was low in chips and figure since it was rebuy period with only a few minutes going all in with 5 5 and 23K wasnt a bad idea to steal 7 K in pot or double up or rebuy to 50K, Reeve called me with A:c: 4:c: and only had 2500 in pot!! anyways...) I get pocket 9's and raise to 6K after there were a few early limpers. Reeves of course calls, Ullman of course calls, Eric of course calls, Joe of course calls..., but no one reraises so I figure that everyone got an ace or some wierd small pair or even QJ suited knowing half those guys.

flop came all undercards and rainbow- if there was a stright on board then it was a really weird hand that woulda hit it. after Joe and eric checked I decided that since there was 30K in the pot to go all in, of course Reeeves called (he had Jacks!!! You never know what the f he has!!) and I get knocked out- decided to call it night and got drunk with the wife and had kinky sex. (TMI?)

bad all in move? (not considering kinky sex reward)

disregarding +EV value of hot sex...

against those guys, with that board...allin is probably the best thing you can do there. you can't check because ANY overcard is bad for you. if you bet, with 30k in the pot already and you only having 45k, you basically are going to end up all-in eventually. if i bet there i'd probably be betting 15k or 20k and i might fold to a raise, but against those guys...i probably go broke too.

i think you can probably a find way to get away from the hand, but going broke there is totally reasonable imo

thanks, figured as much- I just hate being a victim of Reeves.

thats the other thing...if reeves had, say, A7, and the board was 742r, he's still calling you there

played some casual poker with the roomates tonight, got pocket ace's twice, 10's, 8's, 6's, AK and picked up a full house on K5. maybe the most ridiculous set of cards ive ever gotten. and all for $15. lame.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for their feedback on my live game last weekend. Obviously, I didn't play that hand optimally, for the most part. That crew is fairly aggressive players which is why I wanted to establish myself as a "gambler" early on. Normally I'd probably just limp; to Seke's point - I'd probably raise more like 3x in retrospect.

The crazy thing is that I did put him on As and 8s on the turn which is why I bet the $1,500. I figured I was giving him 2.5:1 at most on a 12:1 shot. As Seke points out, he had no business calling that bet.

By the river, it was obvious that he hit the f/h but I guess I was just blinded by my flush. Lesson learned - more aggressive raises from EP with less than premium hands and take more time before betting.

I've had a bad run of cards for the last week or so on F/T so I am probably taking off between now and my next live game (next Friday). When you guys are running bad online do you step away or just keep plugging away?

back when i played a lot, if i ran real bad, i usually took a day or two off and reviewed some of my HH's from my bad sessions to make sure i wasn't making any big mistakes or tilting or anything

Nah I just keep doubling my bets until I win back what I lost-


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